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Fantom G sounds unlimited (Resampler)

Fantom G sounds unlimited (Resampler)

10 Jun 2009, 14:36
Hi folks,

normally I don’t post here anymore, but what I experienced here at home since some days might be of some importance to many G users hoping for new sounds in their Fantom G:

After buying Nexoe’s Resampler and getting into it quite fast I have been experiencing a kind of sound revolution on my Fantom G. I have never been a sampling specialist, just knowing and using some basics, but this time it really got me going!

Imagine: Resampler is a sampling tool which allows you to resample complete sound patches ready for Fantom G use from
- any VSTi you use in your favorite sequencers (there are many hundred out there, many of them being class acts rebuilding classical analog gear to quite a high degree of perfection, or offering new ways of synthesis, whatever you like)
- any midified electronic keyboard (synths, samplers etc.)

Now the real deal is that you don’t have to go the normal long and hard way from a sound you like to having it on your G. In Resampler you set up the basic settings in a graphical interface for
a) velocity ranges (1 up to 4),
b) sample lengths (variable curve over the keyboard from longer samples for lower notes to shorter ones for higher)
c) keyranges (from whole keyboard over group ranges to single samples for each key in any way you want)
and there you go:

You load your VSTi (or a VU meter for midi connected external gear) into one of up to four parallel(!) VSTi/input slots (so any chance for any kind of layer sounds), and if you like, you add VST effects into the two available effect slots.

With one mouse click you decide if you want Resampler to do automatic
a) looping
b) crossfading
c) normalizing
d) output into Yase Prg format

Then Resampler triggers note by note or group by group for all chosen velocities and saves the result. With the help of Yase you then only have to import the result and write it as Multisample patch to your G USB stick, to a free slot in your G user patch library. After that you can use the sound like all internal Fantom G sounds.

I’m just having a terrific time bulding up my favourite sound pool with unlimited sound possibilities: a first class VSTi mellotron sound here, my favorite warn analog patches from my Moog LP there (and after importing them to the G I can’t tweak them like on the Moog, but have the advantage of having them polyphonic!). A famous VA sound from my Oberheim OBXa VSTi here (ranging from Lyle Mays pads to Van Halens Jump sound), a SRX-12 Clavinet sound there (the whole missing SRX sounds library is available again that way!). A VSTi Jupi-ter 8 sound here, a VSTi Hammond B3 sound there.
Since you have the choice to sample with effects or without, you can use dry sounds and add Fantom G effects to them, or profit from effects being already part of the sampled sound (and giving you your Fantom G PFX as sweet additional choice instead of hard to decide priority).

The best of all is the time factor gained by the automatic functions of Resampler:
- for the casual one layer / 12 zones synth VSTi patch I need about 10 Minutes to get it ready to the G.
- for a full 4 layer / single keys patch, like I resampled it to get a top class Wurlitzer for the first time on the G, I needed the longest time so far, due to the many necessary long one-shots: about one or two hours (don’t remember exactly because I did other things while Resampler was doing the job for me).
- in a few cases it was good to reloop samples within Yase to correct the rare instances of suboptimal looping. But nearly all of the loops worked as desired right after auto-matic sampling.
- I had very few program crashes in an otherwise already very stable program version 1.01. So from my view there is not much critical to remark about the program after some days of use.
Result: I have begun to resample all kinds of sounds and port them over to the G, whenever I like, and in no time, compared to normal sampling and multisample patch building processes.

I now use many of my favorite sounds from all corners directly on the G!!!

And before anybody gets me wrong: no, I am not in any way connected to Nexoe, I just enjoy their two programs a lot, because these programs make the G much more of a dream machine to me.

Re: Fantom G sounds unlimited (Resampler)

10 Jun 2009, 15:52
That does seem like a great solution. I have been using Extreme Sample Converter and manually creating patches. The downside to Resampler and Yase is that they're around $400 together...yikes.
Roland Fantom G6 (2), G7, VK-8M
Korg M50, CX3

Re: Fantom G sounds unlimited (Resampler)

10 Jun 2009, 16:31
Good to see you Jimknopf!

I have Yase and I only use hardware...

Would Resampler still be a good investment for me to sample my other synths?

Thanks!
www.songsforthemaster.com

Re: Fantom G sounds unlimited (Resampler)

10 Jun 2009, 17:31
@billw
I already owned Yase, but as far as I saw you get a 30% (? or around that, if I remember right) rebate when ordering both. That's still some money to pay. But if you compare the price of a single SRX or ARX board or that of some softsynths, a tool that helps you get about any sound to the G does not look too expensive in comparison from my view.

@Mada
I resample sounds from my Moog LP and the Plugiator whenever I want them on the G, and it works just as well as resampling VSTi patches. Principally you could resample any midified workstation or synth sound of any brand into your G this way. You could have Yamaha, Korg and Kurzweil sounds resampled very fast into your G side by side.

To me for example it is very helpful, just to carry the Fantom G and my Access TI keyboard around any more, and not to have to rely on more keyboards or sound modules as urgent as it seemed before. Of course resampled sounds do not replace many originals with their controller possibilities (synths, B3 etc.). But they deliver any preset goodies you like, and in many cases that brings you just as far as needed.

This way I'm just now getting together the best overall patch library I ever had...

And since the patches range between ~10 and 100Mb, you get a lot of useful variable stuff loaded into the G per project.

Re: Fantom G sounds unlimited (Resampler)

10 Jun 2009, 22:39
This sounds great! Had I not just drained the account on other software I probably would have bought this. I'm broke now and this is on my wish-list.

Thanks for the tip Jim

Re: Fantom G sounds unlimited (Resampler)

10 Jun 2009, 23:29
Very Cool! Thanks!

Good to hear from you Jim!

Chris

Re: Fantom G sounds unlimited (Resampler)

11 Jun 2009, 01:01


We were recently sent this package to evaluate and it looks very interesting. And it is a testiment to the strength and longevity of the FG sound engine.

I applaud third parties for getting involved with this kind of creative integration from my own stand point as a user. Very much like third parties developing apps for the iPhone platform.

FYI: If you are wondering why Roland US, doesn't have this kind of resampling software, well, it would create all sorts of legal issues. Roland could not issue software that easily copies or extracts the intellectual property of another manufacturers sounds...

Just being official. Meanwhile...


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Re: Fantom G sounds unlimited (Resampler)

11 Jun 2009, 03:19
I thought about the legal status too.

It seems to me that two things are essential:
- a) you should only use sounds you really own (as software or hardware)
- b) you should only make personal use of the sounds.

This way I don't see problems. If I carry my Moog LP around or have it at home while carrying some of its sounds around on the G: both doesn't hurt the manufacturer from whom I bought it. Same for VSTis I bought.

In one case I asked a manufacturer myself to allow me such use: I have the wonderful Scarbee vintage keys collection and mailed Thomas Scarbye for agreement to use the Wurly samples on my Fantom G. I got an answer agreeing to what I wrote above: it is ok, but of course strictly only for personal use of owners of the original software.

Remind: the instrument has already been sampled from an original, like thousands of sample libraries out there. Now I use a 100Mb Scarbee Wurly on my Fantom G, the best Wurly I ever heard on any workstation.

If anybody would try to resell or spread such sounds he/she would act completely illegal and get problems from my view. For personal use I see no legal difference to what has been common over many years, just as you, Dan, showed yourself in your YouTube video about resampling a keyboard.
Remember? ;-)

So: from my view no legal issues involved at all for people who respect the basic rules...

Re: Fantom G sounds unlimited (Resampler)

11 Jun 2009, 12:24
@billw I already owned Yase, but as far as I saw you get a 30% (? or around that, if I remember right) rebate when ordering both. That's still some money to pay. But if you compare the price of a single SRX or ARX board or that of some softsynths, a tool that helps you get about any sound to the G does not look too expensive in comparison from my view.
I looked for such a deal but didn't see it on their website. I checked out the 30-day trial of Resampler. Because I have Extreme Sample Converter, I don't really need it. Actually, ESC can go one step beyond Resampler by converting existing formats to AIFF for import into the Fantom (Kontakt, Sampletank, etc) without even having to sample anything.

YASE does look very interesting through. I'm currently reading the manual as it may come in handy. I see it's not oficially supported in Vista and the trial version crashed several times in Vista last night which isn't a good sign. ;(
Roland Fantom G6 (2), G7, VK-8M
Korg M50, CX3

Resampler and legal issues

11 Jun 2009, 12:56
@Dan
we (NEXOE™ Audio Solutions) repect the rights of every VST manufacturer. Thats why we implemented a check if each used VST is available while loading the *.PRG into YASE.
Perhaps you realized - if you want to import a *.PRG from the RESAMPLER (and you have not a legal copy of the resampled VST onboard) - YASE will not import the patch (an appropriate message appears).
BTW - you can import every VST even with CUBASE into your Fantom G (w/o the check of the used VST).
Best - Jens.

Re: Fantom G sounds unlimited (Resampler)

13 Jun 2009, 06:23
Dan Krisher wrote:
>Very much like third parties developing apps for the iPhone platform.

Well except iPhone has over 50.000 apps and Fantom G has 3.

If Roland would make an open source dev kit and create an online shop for the developers to make some money then there would perhaps be hundreds of apps and patches and whatnot.. maybe something to think about?
Jesse J / The Fantom G Facebook group - Please join!

Re: Fantom G sounds unlimited (Resampler)

13 Jun 2009, 08:07
Final feeback on the subject from my side before retiring again:

After only 10 days of using the Resampler/Yase combination I already have a quite well organized Fantom G sound library besides the original ROM sounds. All additional sounds reside as Yase Prg files in one big pool on my harddisk. I can anytime add new sounds I like to the library. Those sounds, which I want in certain projects, are organized into those projects. That normally keeps loading times at around 2-5 minutes for each project, even with bigger sample libraries.

For example, if I would play in a cover band besides my main project, I would put everything from Mellotrons over Moogs, Arps, Jupiter8 and Prophet5 sounds in there, or a digital sounding Yamaha DX7 EP - if I liked it, which I do not do at all ;-)

My earlier problems with many of the Fantom G soundset choices are practically gone now:
- I have my 1:1 Wurly finally, ranging from soft NuJazz touch to heavy R&B Donny Hathaway sound within one expressive 4-layer patch.
- I have the great SRX-12 Hohner D6 clavinets back, with the wonderful choice of the original four different pickup setting sounds (being glad I didn't sell my Juno G and that card, and still having my SRX 1 drum sounds as well)
- with ease I can use a varying choice of synth leads, pads and basses and some special sounds I like: finally Jan Hammer style slightly overdriven Moog leads, lush Oberheim pads, fat Vangelis and Jarre Polysynth sounds (Jupiter 8, Yamaha CS 80: you name it), growling Moog and Arp 2600 basses, experimental multi-layser soundscapes and atmospheres.

Remember: all on the Fantom G!!!
IT sounds GORGEOUS!

The only thing left to be desired on the G from my view is a Hammond B3 ARX board, because it's the only way to play real B3 style and be able to make use of drawbars and Leslie during play.

So principally having easy access to all synth hardware sounds, to all VSTi sounds on my PC and to all older SRX sounds, whenever I need any, does not leave much to desire, as you probably can imagine. Now the big sampling space of 1 GB in connection with fast USB loading times in the G really begins to shine! It is as if this hardware had originally been designed to be capable of such things. Perhaps it has, just that Roland didn't complete the job. But well, forget it, as long as there is finally a solution.

I guess the additional success for the G could well be remarkable, soon as people grasp what this machine is capable of with this software addon! Perhaps it would speed up the Fantom G usability process a lot, if the sequencer could also be updated by third party programmers ;-).

@billw and Mada

ESC looks like a very nice sample conversion tool.
But from my view the Nexoe solution offers three big advantages I won't miss:

1. Resampler saves complete patch information (inclusing samples and multisamples), not just just a bunch of aiffs. My first class Wurly sound for example contains over 200 samples: it would be a pain to organize the multisamples and the patch manually on the G.

2. I can easily resample hardware instruments, and doing so decide with a fingersnap about velocities and sample lengths in the process. The rest is done automatically and needs only minimal correction (often none).

3. Without Yase, it would be a pain to organize and reorganize (multi)sample patches into different projects on the G.

@jessej: absolutely agreed...


Just wanted to inform everybody about this little sound revolution.
Have a good time with making music!

Bye

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