Musikmesse Frankfurt !

cylops, I feel with you, but my view meanwhile has changed to relax and "life is for learning"

When I bought the G, I did that very consciously, judging the basic layout of its initial beta OS (V "1.0") to be very promising and accepting its flaws for the moment. I then still thought Roland wouldn't miss the chance to update that fine concept to full power within months and producing a bestseller that way.

I just have to admit I was totally wrong. The G is a fine workstation, and I get by with it despite its flaws. And I also have big respect for Dan's kind of support (and Roland US and Roland Germany's - the latter did the first sound package). But all in all the G is not remotely what I expected it to have become up to this point in time.
Hello Roland Japan %-{

Now since life is for learning, I am now a happy(!) customer who learned a lesson. I simply will never again judge a Roland beta OS to be something with a chance to mature fast, no matter how promising the first release may look. I'm not angry and have no expectations any longer. In the future it will be just the other way round: it will be them who will have to wait for any positive buying decision for at least a year after release, and meanwhile I might decide for anything else just as well. Simple as that.

No anger, no hurry, just having learnt the lesson. So let's just have a good time until Frankfurt, where we might receive nothing but possible new announcements (if at all).
With Roland Japan, it is just more healthy to keep any update and support expectations (s)low...

this is my first post but have been following this site for awhile. I have the fantom x7 but not knocking roland but if the x is still at work in progress but they didn't finish the x why do you think that they will finish the G. There will never be a completely flawless workstation. Xers are still looking for improvement but don't see one coming before long the g will be discontinued and a new workstation will be getting all the attention.

I hope this long silence is a good one.... meaning they are ready to reveal some good stuff. Being partner with cakewalk is a good thing if they share ideas and all and should get this update on a roll "hopefully". To keep everyone guessing till this point must be a real big deal. This might be a good surprise for all.
Either be smiling or groaning its all good as long as I have breath to see the next day and Ice scream to scream for which is amazing cause this thing put a smile on my face every time. Try putting a smile on a angry face without Ice cream now that tough.

en76:

I hope this long silence is a good one.... meaning they are ready to reveal some good stuff.

Same hope here. Dreams are for free, aren't they?



en76:

Being partner with cakewalk is a good thing if they share ideas and all and should get this update on a roll "hopefully".

If only they'd wake up and do what Yamaha did. Fantom-G is a wonderful machine. Sonar is a wonderful DAW app. We could use some tighter integration between them and access to "remote" functions, like Sonar's transport control and mixer tweaking via FG's sliders/knobs.

LOL!
indeed cyclops, yes that will be a great thing.

I think Roland made a great job on all the obvious updates to the G, and that to some people the G will allways have functions missing, and as if everybody gives his/her oppinion, this subject would be endless...(this applies to any product in the market, not only to the FG).

Just a thought...
Does anyone knows what is the percentage of FG disappointed (Whining) guys/girls in this forum compared to the number of Worldwide FG happy users/owners ?

I know this is not a "democracy", and the majority could be wrong about the main things, but...

Just think about it...
Take care and make good music with what you have, as that is the most important thing - yes... the MUSIC we make !!!

PauloF

PauloF wrote:
>Does anyone knows what is the percentage of FG disappointed (Whining) guys/girls in this forum compared to the number of Worldwide FG happy users/owners ?

Yes, I have the exact figures in an excel file... no man seriously:

Who's disappointed?

Wanting an update or bugfix doesn't mean you are disappointed, it means you want an update.

If you think that you have long hair an need a haircut, does it mean you are disappointed with yourself? No. You just need a update.

If you have a mole on your back. You are very dissapointed with yourself? No... You need a bugfix and see a doctor who removes it.

If some of you want to be hippies and like cancer on your back, don't whine. But I am used to a trim and like my healthcare, so I whine when I can't get an appointment and no-one is answering the phone at the hospital...

Jessej wrote:
"Who's disappointed? "

Just read through the thread (and through a lot of other threads before), it is self explanatory... do you want the names ?

About the "figures"...I was not joking !! do you know ?

About your "bug fix examples"...
Seriously...
I think you misunderstood me completely...

Do you really think that a couple of guys complaining about some of Roland's, or Korg's or Yamaha's products, make any difference to them ?

Do you think that they guide their Market strategy by the "whining" of some people about their products "missing features" ?

Ok...

I'll rest my case here

Take care
PauloF

No, I'm sure they are only laughing at their customers requests. That's how you run a successful business for over 25 years...

Thanks for telling me to read this forum, Paulo.. I had no idea I could do that, I'm usually just skipping trough the text and adding random thoughts here and there.

I'm quite sure the majority are perfectly sound and happy with their Fantom G's. I'm sure the majority of those happy people use the preset sounds and some of them probably don't even change octaves of external gear, or then they would be here whining about an update.

Why this kind of answer ? why just sarcasm and making fun ?

Unless you are joking... but my sense of humour is not in its best days, today.

I'll drop it here, as this is not a constructive discussion anyway...

External Octave switching very important! Argh!

It is dumb to have to make a new preset in the external gear just for that!

PauloF,

do you think the discussion had a chance to become more constructive by your comments?

Most customers aren't critical by forum feedback, but simply by customer choice. If a company doesn't listen to critical feedback from people who like their gear and use it a lot (I doubt they don't listen), a simple glimpse into the workstation selling charts can easily help to translate to them what they are missing.

User feedback is always only the tip of the iceberg. But it shows where the iceberg is located, and where it is moving...

And its probably moving away from people like roland and towards computer soft synths and software..
at least you know what your getting and can build on it for your own personal uses.
if its missing something just add more..

I can surely see it happening, in the not so far away future, my personal studio depending solely on my computer DAW and the Fantom-G will be dedicated only for playing live.

I decided to quit the frustration and therefore have sold my fantom G8 this january. Never again will buy a synth on promises, lesson learned.

Apart from that the G is a *TRULY* wonderful sounding machine, but I could not appreaciate it anymore due to frustration. I also sold the MV8800 (the best hardware sequencer in the world) and moved to software only (right on the point Quinxx but even with software the demo's don't tell you everything

Never was a particulair Roland guy and I don't think that I will ever be again after the G experience.

I will not slag Roland over the G anymore, but I am curious to what they come up with and when. I will visit the Roland booth at messe and I can look at the developments with a eased mind set that it doesn't concern me directly anymore. But I still feel sympathy with the frustraties