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Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt !

17 Mar 2009, 15:41
Jesse,

I was referring to the two SRX-cards.

I know you can't compare SRX to ARX, but with only two slots I think it would be a waste of space, considering the fact that there are 75 of them already.

Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt !

17 Mar 2009, 16:03
FatBrass, I couldn't agree more.. I wouldn't get one, but then again, I am not a pianist, hell... I'm not even a keyboardist. I'm just an guitarist that also knows a bit about how to write songs using a keyboard. But I think there are a lot of talented pianists who have their G8 and they probably would appreciate an excellent simulation of a real piano or two. Modeled or whatever SuperNatural is.

ARX-B3 is another thing that seems people would want, I agree.. but I think it's a shame Roland decided to put 8 sliders on the Fantom G instead of 9. They could have used the 8 as they are now + an additional 9th one for dedicated 'magic control' and then there would have been 9 drawbars when needed.

I have said it before, and will say it again.. I'm looking forward seeing ARX cards that let me do UNnatural sounds (more than the usual natural).. I want to bend some 'ethnic' instruments into something they are not.. new sounds.
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Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt !

17 Mar 2009, 16:11
Not for me it would not. I love the G8 keybed and the V-Piano ARX would be a fantastic expressive addition. I don't think it is coming but not for at least a year given the premium that Roland are charging for the V-Piano.

ARX V-synth hmmmmm
ARX Organ hmmmm
ARX V-Piano hmmmm
ARX Orchestra hmmmmm

I think in the future that you we might have more than one instrument on an ARX. Hence the number of slots. (I hope at least)

How good is the EP one? That is something could interests me. does it have 127 (or so) levels of velocity like Pianoteq? Is it any good? One thing about Roland is that it really does not put out good quality samples that I can judge from. Youtube makes everything sound crap.

Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt !

17 Mar 2009, 16:19
Baza, ARX does not use many velocity layers, but combines basic sample material with a modeling approach, calculating things like velocity changes and other sound aspects.

ARX-02 EPianos wasn't really successful in doing so, resulting in some hybrid EPinao sound not reflecting any of the originals (Rhodes and Wurly and their different settings) in any authentic way. It offers great playability, but sounds quite unnatural.

ARX-03 was the most promising effort up to now: the brass module has clearly recognizeable potential for dynamic, quite natural sounding and vivid (controllers) play...

After the very, very slow pace Roland showed for developing the Fantom G so far, which was a huge disappointment for me and many other G buyers, I am really looking forward to Frankfurt.

And yes, Anton is right: this probably is Roland's definitely last chance to get away from the meanwhile widespread and well earned image of not putting much effort into developing the G to mature state. If they blow it once more (like they did with the staggering omission of multisampling in the original release and then again with the incredibly late addition of smf export, crippled sequencer functionality despite great basic design, and a row of other smaller stumbling blocks), the G's public image of staying half-baked much too long, and accordingly being presented on an absolute lamer site like G Experience, will hardly recover within it's life cycle. Frankfurt is a real countdown for the future of the G. It could still become bright, but not for much longer ...

Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt !

17 Mar 2009, 16:37
I tend to be alittle more optimistic! It took Roland a year to introduce the Audio Track Expansion for the 'X' series.

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Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt !

17 Mar 2009, 16:54
Roland MUST release a new OS, otherwise the show, concerning me and the G, is over....
At the moment I rarely use the G, just too many things that annoy me and things that just ruin my inspiration (even in the rare moments in which I am inspired).....

But I don't think that a simple OS update would change my mind about the G, …

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Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt !

17 Mar 2009, 17:19
I've given up on optimism a long time ago, as long as Fantom-G is concerned. My productions are completely based on Sonar, and everything that is lacking from FG's soundset is covered up it with VSTis. I decided that I can't rely on Roland. Now, if they come up with something good at Musikmesse, it will surely be welcome from my behalf, but frankly I doubt it that something entirely new will come.

Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt !

17 Mar 2009, 22:13
It will be good for a laugh..
Expectations are way.. to high
and even if there is an OS update its not going to be as significant as people expect..

I mean.. what realistically are you looking for..

RPS on keys?
not going to happen..

scissors
not going to happen

new sound set..
Yeah right??

ARX??
Hmm.. (just remember ARX is NOT fantom exclusive)
whatever they release will be generic and universal so its going to be boring AGAIN.

I have come to terms with the G...
Its just the 1st in the next line of workstations that will keep dangling the carrot for a long time..

The iron is COLD
Just look at the GT it was hot..
the OS was Crp!
it took them to this long to update the GT too late.. people have moved on..

Same with the G

What Im waiting to see is the disappointment and then the looking forward to summer NAMM AGAIN etc.. etc...

Seen it all before...
History repeats itself once again.. :)



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Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt !

18 Mar 2009, 00:12
It maybe the case, release one and depute another hardware that have ARX build in to it....... maybe in this case an Arranger of some type like the G70?

1. It have drawbars.....mmmmm so my guess will be ARX-0rgan built-in.

2 . If I'm not mistaken, I think - the G70 does have a vocoder thing in it- so it will make sense to have ARX -vocal build in too. so either #1 or #2 or both in an arranger such as the G70.
3. Maybe an announcement of some sort of (ARX Supernatural bay /interface/hardware) that is specific for Roland FG that holds upward of 4 to 8 ARX cards.
This means that those two ARX slots in the FG will have to be installed with a specific routing card/driver that reads only the interface/hardware which in turn will have to have an update version that includes such routing through usb or digital I/O. ok I got to stop dreaming here.... oh well....

Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt !

18 Mar 2009, 09:51
What Quinnx said...
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Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt !

18 Mar 2009, 10:35
It's kind of like playing the lottery....

"Wouldn't it be so wonderful IF...."

"Ahh shucks, didn't win, back to the slog...."

I'm trying to not get my hopes up... if there actually is an OS update it will be like winning the lotto when I didn't realize I bought a ticket :)

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Re: Musikmesse Frankfurt !

18 Mar 2009, 13:46
If Roland comes out with an ARX module that would be great! BUT, it will most likely be limited to just "four" ARX slots. The reason I think so, is because 4 ARX cards alone will cost almost $2,000.00 (1,525.000 EUR). On top of that you need to factor in the cost of the module itself which may cost in the neighborhood of $1,000.00 (762.000 EUR) or possibly more. That's the cost of a brand new FG8 right there. :0

What I am hoping though is that Roland will make a significant price reduction on the ARX cards themselves. So instead of $445.00 (339.000 EUR) maybe a $100 price cut, making them $345.00 (263.000 EUR) after the price reduction. >> Doesn't hurt to dream right? :D

But we may 'never' see an ARX module unfortunately. :( So my advice is to "choose" your ARX cards wisely in the meantime. :)

What I think is happening at this very moment at Roland Japan is they are in the beginning stages of the Fantom G successor. Version 2.0 etc., if you prefer.. ;) It has almost been a whole year now since Roland released the Fantom G and, in my humble opinion, Musikmesse would be a great opportunity for them to release OS 1.30 that would hopefully "energize" and "excite" the Fantom G community once again (or maybe for the first time :). Scissors and Glue, RPS on the keys, and the list goes on... If Musikmesse is a total wash for Fantom G owners it will be a trying and tough time to have to wait and see if summer NAMM will provide any glimmer of hope for our beloved Fantom G keyboards. If summer NAMM is a wash we will once again be left to speculate as to whether winter NAMM 10' will finally bring some relief. If nothing happens between now and Winter NAMM 10' you are going to see people left and right jumping ship in their quest of some other keyboard options on the market in my opinion. If Roland owned Yamaha and Korg, etc. then that wouldn't affect their bottom line one iota. ;) OTOH, since they DON'T own Yamaha, Korg, etc., it could ultimately affect their bottom line tremendously. Yes, they've already gotten the "initial" benefit when people actually buy the Fantom G, but if it ends up where Roland leaves FG owners out on a limb, or up a creek without a paddle, or between a rock and a hard place etc., then afterwards, when word circulates that Roland shirks responsibility in that they are not willing to go the extra mile or are precieved as not being "gung ho" (or the Japanese equivalent) when it comes to supporting their Flagship, people will start to leave in droves and those on the outside will avoid Roland like the plague perhaps. Only those who are willing to go down with the ship, so to speak, will be the ones left when the dust settles and the sun once again starts to peek through the clouds and rain. :) And consequently, Roland will have lost a vast amount of people to the competition and they will see their precious?? marketshare start to shrink and dry up unfortunately. MAY IT NEVER BE! :0 Only Roland though has the power to prevent such a catastrophe from coming to pass. Hopefully they will "shake themselves", pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and utilize every ounce of fortitude they can muster to remain a vital and enriching presence in the keyboard community = by providing excellent and outstanding product service and customer support. >> If not, it's good buy Roland hello Yammie, Korg, Kurzweil, Ketron, Open Labs, Clavia, Waldorf, etc., etc., etc... Again, MAY IT NEVER BE! :)

Musikmesse starts April Fool's day right? ;) Will Roland make a fool of Fantom G owners by totally neglecting their needs for a better i.e. (a more mature and enhanced) OS? :| I dread the very thought that they would consider such a sin of omission but stranger things have happened unfortunately. :( Or will they turn the tables around and surprise "the living daylights" out of us :0 = by providing a "major" beefed UP OS that will finally put the Fantom G in its rightful place as the monster keyboard it was originally intended to be? :) >> We'll know in about two weeks which direction "the river" ends up taking, eh? ;)

PS: I have to give Roland adulation and praise for their recent release of ARX-03 though. That, in itself, is cause for rejoicing in my opinion. :) Especially since the word coming back is both positive and encouraging that, overall, ARX-03 appears to be a very promising addition to our Fantom G arsenal. :) But please don't think you [Roland] can "successfully" rest on your laurels okay? :) Such an erroneous misconception cannot (and will not) hold even an ounce of merit and certainly cannot be expected to fly. At least, not in a healthy and sustained manner anyway. ;)

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