Need Help just making some beats...

This might help you a little. It explains what each of the fundamental building blocks like a patch, sequence, performance are, and more importantly tells you what the relationship is between them.
http://fantom.wilkesworld.co.uk/song_perf.htm

Lawrence
Professor of Fantomology

that helped out a little bit. I guess I'm looking more for a bit of a lamen's terms rundown of how a song is created. Is there more than one way to make a song? The manual just isn't providing me an easy broken down method of creating some beats. I work mainly with hip/hop so of anyone has experience with that part of music making it might help. I sample a lot too, thanks again. I'll be on AIM all day, if anyone can get me on there, my handle is: San Alsamet

i'd really appreciate it.

I guess I'm getting old.........but how is hip/hop a different part of music making? Aren't the fundamentals the same here?

Anyway, I don't know quite what you need, because Lawrence's tutorial is a smoking piece of instructional help. This isn't laymen's territory you're in here. If it were, laymen would be laying down hits. Whatever kind of music you want to make......you've gotten sit down and dig, dig deep, and find your own pearls. Every person who owns one of these things has there own skill set, their own approach. You've gotta find yours. Nothing can teach you like your own experience.

Hi CIBorg,


Have you played around with the sequencer at all and if so do you have a cool understanding o how the fatom-s sequencer works? If you have that bit of the fathom-s down pack I can try and help you from there, but the tutorial by Lawrence is really good and work looking at. I know I had a proble with the patterns at first, and after doing a couple of song using the patterns I see how it works. I use the patterns to structure my songs. What I mean is I use the pattens to build my arrangements you can copy any combination of tracks into a pattern and then use the pattern to build your song. Maybe it kind of hard to know what you are doing hip hop music or know it doesn't matter. You might want to think of the patterns as a way to make your song arrangements ie: intro - verse- chorus-verse-chorus-brige-chorus.

yeah, i guess i need a better understanding of what exactly is a pattern in the fantom-s, is it a patch or something? I'm used to working with the akai mpc 2000, which is a bit easier for hip/hop which is why i mention the whole hip/hop aspect of it, because on the mpc 2000 it's a bit easier because it's a bit more dedicated for that. I'm completely new to the whole keyboard/workstation thing. How do i make a pattern in this thing? I am digging deep here, and as far as personal pearls, I know, i've been working with equipment for a while, and it's all about knowing the technical stuff, knowing the machinery then applying your own style. However, thanks for any help given and any help you can give me. I'll be working the sequencer a bit more here Kai, if you can hit me up on IM or something, i'd really appreciate it, i'll goin through the manual still and all and checkin out that tutorial.

AIM = San Alsamet

alright lamens terms I was at the exact same place play,
1, think of the board as a computer not a key board it does not sequence like mpc and other boards do forget that... this is the basics....This keyboard only holds one song at a time so no matter what your doing it is only for that 1 song that you are working on.
2. there a bunch of copying and pasting you have to do.
ex. hit your mixer button use you cursor and press( inc) and select your sound and it should show {kbd} if a nother sound has kbd on it it will play that sound with it so if you see another one with kbd highlight it and press dec.

Now press tempo and set your tempo now press rec and set record parameters don't turn on your loop! NOw you have got your pattern press sequence and you should see what you recorded as little bars press track edit and the bottom of the screen then you should see copy highlit copy and press enter
then a box will appear what ever track you highlighted set your track to that so let's say you highlited track 1 in your box put track 1 then the measure
is 1 then the destination measure( dst) is 4 then go down and put track1 then dst measur would be 5 theen there is how many times you want it to loop put 20 or so. So basixlly instead of looping you are copying and pasting loop. like highlighting a sentence on a page copying it then pasting the same sentence after it like this dog. ---- let's say that's your beat. if you would take your mouse and left click and highlight it in blue you could place it anywhere you just placing it after it self to make a man made loop.-------- times 20-------------------------------------track 1 beat
-----------------------------------------tarck 2 piano
------------------------------------------track 3 hit
so on an so fourth now just go back and erase the shit out of your verses that you don't want ....there's your song so it would kind of be like this
------------------------------------track 1 beat
-----------------------------------------tarck 2 piano
---------- ------------track 3 hit
----------- ------------- track 4bass

FLEXX

musc....lol hey hip hop is simular but not the same. basketball and football thegoal is to score the ball but the methods used are different. Yes the are both a sport but that is where they part

FLEXX

thanks for the help guys, i'm here messin with it, i think i'm gettin some of it down, made some crappy beat while trying to learn the technicalities. Once I get it goin, i'll post you guys some beats, i have some beats i made on the mpc that are pretty tight, not your average i guess you can say. I'll get this down soon enough, thanks again.

What's the difference between a track and pattern on here? how is it applied in the sequencer or song section?

see my other tutorial on using the Fantom-S like a groove box (by assigning patterns to the pads)
http://fantom.wilkesworld.co.uk/rps.htm

this might help you understand more about patterns

Lawrence
Professor of Fantomology

"What's the difference between a track and pattern on here?"

A track is just that, a track in a song. A pattern is a short sequence that can either be copied into a song track or can be assigned to a key/pad using RPS.

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never mind i figured it out 0n my own again!!!!