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SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

Re: SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

23 Aug 2007, 16:22
I said it somewhere else before and I've read it in earlier posts: Rhodes and Clav excellent, Wurly less than mediocre. Too bad they scr&w^d up the Wurly on SRX-12. If you want a gritty, distorted sound, maybe you'll find it passable. But a smooth and clean Wurly sound from a Roland synth is better found in the stock ROM or (best) in SRX-07 ("The Real Thing" patch).

The Rhodes sound beats the Nord Electro sound. It's rich and the basic sample material is good. Tweaking it offers lots of possibilities. You can't make shit shine, but you can make good raw material sound the way you want. For the two Rhodes piano's on SRX-12, the latter is the case.

SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

24 Aug 2007, 04:23
yeah groovecake the srx 12 was a disappointment . Ithink alot of your problem is that you areplaying it from the x6 when I put my srx 12 into my s88 it plays alot differently not sure why. my s88 has always seemed to play better than my x6 even seems to have alot more bottom end balls to it even though the patches and effects are set up exactly the same.

Re: SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

24 Aug 2007, 04:29
I am on the waiting list for a new mark vII . its going to wind up costing around $5000 with the speaker set up I choose. but for $4700 LESS THE SRX 12 does a decent job. play with the effects routing some patches the effects dont do the patch justice.

Re: SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

24 Aug 2007, 06:54
hi all of you,

after adjusting the velocity layers, the Rhodes sounds of the SRX-12 for my ears are simply the best hardware Rhodes MK I sounds you can get on *any* hardware at the moment (besides the unbeatable real thing):
better than Nord Electro, better than any MkI sound on any other workstation from Korg, Yamaha or whomever.

This is something, isn't it?

And the Clavi sounds are excellent as well.

Both should be edited with lots of different effect settings of your own choice to get all the classic sounds you like from rock or jazz history. Roland simply didn't do this job for you. The standard effect settings even in Piano Mode aren't much more than a nice but small starting point, but it's all there at your fingertips to be programmed and then sounds great!

After doing the edit job at velocity layering and effect settings for my Fantom X7 I am very satisfied: the results work excellent in band context and fit very well into the mix.
I would even say: better than a real Rhodes in bad condition (with uneven or muddy pickup settings, bad dampers, hammers which strike back and damp unwanted etc.).

Just my impression after some work with SRX 12.

I even bought a second SRX-12 for my carry-around-Juno-G and am happy to have a 7kg Rhodes at hand anytime, sitting in the garden or wherever I go. It's my favourite instrument for making songs or developing song ideas...

Re: SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

22 Nov 2007, 01:13
I just bought SRX 12 tonight after seeing this thread, I put it in my XR and I it changes hard on a 61 key keyboard right on the second octave right at E.

Can some on please explain the velocity thing again

Does this mean I set them like this

Lower 1=1, 2=41, 3=91, 4=127
Upper 1=40, 2=90, 3127, 4=127

Right at E, the patch almost seems to take a more bell sounding EP and playing a C scale i can tell the abrupt chane.


Artemio, other fantom X/XR guys, please help!!!!

Re: SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

22 Nov 2007, 02:23
youngjboy, please never double-post again.

Re: SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

22 Nov 2007, 08:01
Go into patch edit, Pro Edit, TMT, and look for upper/lower velo range. Depending on your playing style you can adjust the four velo layers you have by switching through them with Tone Sw/Sel.

One of the typical layer schemes I use is:
Layer 1: 1-40
Layer 2: 41-90
Layer 3: 91-127
Layer 4: 127-127 plus Velo Fade Lower ~18

This means you use layer 4 only to give hard attack key strokes the typical barking Rhodes kick, and you add lower velo fade to the upper layer to get a smooth overlap between this 'kick sound' and the other layers.

This setting is just an example how to proceed, if you want to avoid hard steps between layers (which sounds quite unnatural).
You have to fine tune it according to sound (a darker Rhodes needs perhaps more velo brillance than a sparkling pure sound etc.).

This works for my playing style on a Fantom X7. I can't tell how your master keyboard or synth plus your playing style work with your rack. You have to test that yourself.

Re: SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

4 Apr 2008, 08:22
Hello,

Has anyone tried this layers configuration in the RD-700sx?

I have the SRX12 installed in my RD-700sx, and I've tried the layer velocity range configuration, but I don't notice any difference between this configuration and the SRX12 "Preset 1" EP1 (only one layer - upper1). Maybe I'm doing something wrong...


I've tried some EQ, effects...and I always find that the EP1 and EP2 in the SRX12 is more a "bell" rhodes sound that for example the EP presets in the RD-700sx. How can I get a little more darker sound in the SRX12? With more bark, and less bell?

Thanks!
I really wish the X had as good a Rhodes as the SRX-12...that would save me some money. My question is for Jimknoph.....Does the SRX-12 sound like it does on the demo? I really like the #4 phaser EP....very delicious with nice bite. Will it sound like this right out of the box or will I need to tweak the velocity layers?

Thanks

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Re: SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

6 Apr 2008, 22:39
I love my SRX12, specially the patch Phaser EP.
Attached is a little demo I've played w/ this patch.

Re: SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

7 Apr 2008, 13:18
Hello cesarsound,

How do you change the velocity range of the layers? I can't find it...

Thanks!
Ferran

Re: SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

7 Apr 2008, 15:55
Hi Ferran,
Please see Page 66 of manual:
Press Edit and then Edit pro. Go to TMT page you will see the velocity parameters for each one of 4 tones.

From manual (Page 66):
Creating a Patch
Key Fade Upper
(Keyboard Fade Width Upper)
This determines what will happen to the tone’s level when a note that’s higher than the tone’s specified keyboard range is played. Higher settings produce a more gradual change in volume. If you don’t want the tone to sound at all when a note below the keyboard
range is played, set this parameter to “0.”
Value:
0–127
fig.06-027.e
TMT Velocity Control
(TMT Velocity Control Switch)
TMT Velocity Control determines whether a different tone is played (ON) or not (OFF) depending on the force with which the key is played (velocity).
When set to “RANDOM,” the patch’s constituent tones will sound randomly, regardless of any Velocity messages.
When set to “CYCLE,” the patch’s constituent tones will sound consecutively, regardless of any Velocity messages.
Value:
OFF, ON, RANDOM, CYCLE
Instead of using Velocity, you can also have tones substituted using the Matrix Control (p. 66). However, the keyboard velocity and the Matrix Control cannot be used simultaneously to make different tones to sound. When using the Matrix Control to switch tones, set the Velocity Control parameter to “OFF.”
Velo Fade Lower (Velocity Fade Width Lower)
This determines what will happen to the tone’s level when the tone is played at a velocity lower than its specified velocity range. Higher settings produce a more gradual change in volume. If you want notes played outside the specified key velocity range to not be
sounded at all, set this to “0.”
Value:
0–127
Velo Range Lower (Velocity Range Lower)
This sets the lowest velocity at which the tone will sound. Make these settings when you want different tones to sound in response to notes played at different strengths.
Value:
1–UPPER
Velo Range Upper (Velocity Range Upper)
This sets the highest velocity at which the tone will sound. Make these settings when you want different tones to sound in response to notes played at different strengths.
Value:
LOWER–127
If you attempt to set the Lower velocity limit above the Upper, or the Upper below the Lower, the other value will automatically be adjusted to the same setting.
When using the Matrix Control to have different tones played, set the lowest value (Lower) and highest value (Upper) of the value of the MIDI message used.
Velo Fade Upper (Velocity Fade Width Upper)
This determines what will happen to the tone’s level when the tone is played at a velocity greater than its specified velocity range. Higher settings produce a more gradual change in volume. If you want notes played outside the specified key velocity range to not be
sounded at all, set this to “0.”
Value:
0–127

Re: SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

8 Apr 2008, 15:12
Wow!

Thanks very much for your explanation, I will try it!

Ferran

Re: SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

1 May 2008, 17:37
Hello Cesarsound,

I've been very busy last weeks and I couldn't try your explanation before.

I can't find what you explain in page 66 of the manual. I have the RD-700sx...and I can't find all these parameters you explain.
I think you're talking about the Fantom...

Does any RD-700sx owner know how to manage the 4 layers of the SRX-12 EP patches?

Thanks again!

Ferran

Re: SRX12 - E Pianos - OPINIONS PLEASE

1 May 2008, 18:51
Hi Ferran,
I thougth it was a FantomX.

Unfortunately you cannot edit such parameters on RD700SX because it is not open to do this deep editing.

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