Fantom-G open patch archive

come in files: ACoustic Piano & stringXa1 Strings / 2009-02-03 /
http://fantomg.navarin.de/

YASE 2.1 can handle patches as well as multisamples with external samples assigned to.
So it is possible to exchange patches and multis, to make backups of multis, patches and/or complete projects.
YASE uses the internal file format to collect all sample data as well as assignments for samples to multisamples. Even tone layer data and the most important filter settings will be stored (patch file).

Best Jens.

JeWalter: Can you copy multisamples across different projects? If it's possible, then it's the best feature for me.

Hello cyclops,
yes you can: You simply export a multisample from patch 1 (Button "EXPORT" --> choose Multisample File: And you create a "*.mul" file) and import it to patch 2 and/or 3 or whatelse.
The same procedure is possible with complete patches.
With YASE you can do much more:
- Moving Assignments (Samples/Multisamples) from Tone-Layer 1 to 2 a.s.o.
- Drag&Drop of Samples/Multisamples to several patches (Tone-Layers)
- Import/Export of patches of several proprietary Formats (AKAI, Roland, WAV...) with Loops, Root-Note, Multi-Assignments, Filters etc.
- Graphical Multisample Editor with Drag&Drop for Sample -> Key Assignments (!!!)
...

What else do you need - I guess it is possible with the aid of YASE. YASE is a full-featured Swiss-Army-Knife for your Fantom® device.

Best
Jens.

JeWalter: where are those .mul files saved? I have backups of my projects and searching I haven't found any .mul files.

One more thing: does Yase make entire project folders? I mean, when you are finished editing samples, multisamples, patches etc, can you store them in a entire "Project.PRJ" folder, so that you can transfer it to a thumbdrive and load it with the Fantom-G?

1.) Export
You have to store Multis manually. Open the patch editor, there are 3 lists in the patch editor: Patches/Multis/Samples - at the left side. Open the multi list, lock it (that it doesn't disappear). Select the multi in the multi list you want to export, click button "EXPORT". A Save-Dialog apperas where you select where to save the multi onto your hard drive.
2.) Import
Open the patch editor again, select the multi (placeholder) you want to import the stored multi to. Click the button "IMPORT". In the dialog choose the file you exported before. A Wizard appears where you can choose where to save each of the assigned samples (this is important - the Fantom has an internal numbering for each sample). After importing the multi click "SAVE" (disk icon), to save the changes!

For backup purposes you can do the following:
1.) Fantom-G
Save the complete "Project.PRJ" with the windows-explorer, or - use the button "BACKUP" in YASE. Before doing this please select the project folder in the path field of the patch list (this refreshes patch/multi/sample list).
The button opens a Save-Dialog, and you choose where the complete Project will be saved.
2.) Fantom-S/X
There aren't project folders like the Fantom-G create them. So use the Backup-Button in YASE as described before to save a complete project of the Fantom-S/X.

Best Jens

JeWalters: thanks again for the answers. Maybe you haven't understood, I haven't bought the Yase yet, and I'm asking questions so that I figure out if it fits to my needs.

One last thing: the .mul format you mentioned concerns the multisample handling made by Yase. Concerning the Fantom-G itself, where are the multisamples saved? I've looked in the project folders and I found nothing with the .mul extension.

So, where are the multisamples saved? I suspect that they're embedded in the SVD files in the SND folder. Is this the case?

Hmmm, how to explain it in a quick way, I guess it takes longer (sorry if I bore the hell out of you):

1.) YASE was developed to let the Fantom act as a Sampler:
For many users the internal sounds are not enough - they require a possibility to add sounds - thats one reason why you plug up to 1 GB RAM into the device. For the playing of internal sounds you don't need to do this.
Additional samples? Nice feature - but Roland forgot to make the handling of such samples (to bring them into patches, with key ranges, root note, velo-ranges, ...) as easy as a musican expect this. To import such data you can waste hours of programming until you listen only one tone =)
And YASE simplifies the handling of additional samples, with the assignment to multis, patches a.s.o. - From hours downto few clicks...

--> For internal sounds you need Rolands PC-Editor, for additional sounds take YASE - means: YASE does not act as a replacement of your PC-Editor, it is an extension.
Thats why one of the most powerful features is the import of (additional) samples of AKAI or Roland CD-ROMs with patch-, multi- and other information of the source data.
The PC-Editor of Roland communicates directly via MIDI-Sysex-Data with the Fantom, YASE doesn't "communicate", it changes files, which will be loaded during the booting procedure.
Please note: You have to reboot the Fantom if you make changes via YASE.

2.) YASE only handles external samples/patches/multis. Means - YASE can only access the USER and the CARD memory of your Fantom, via a file access. This access cannot "see" internal samples/multis/patches (INT1/INT2), they are stored inside the hidden ROM - no access possible for YASE.

3.) The .mul file contains the above mentioned additional samples next to the key assignment rules. YASE grabbs the samples and stores them in a YASE-own format. This is the reason why the samples are available even if you import them into an other device.
4.) The SVD file neither contains samples nor other assignment infos. Internal samples (BANK PRST) are "burned" into the ROM, as mentioned above.

If you want to know more please download the Trial version of YASE and open the Help File (F1), there you'll find a lot of additional information regarding the topic Memory Locations and Access. It might be helpful to understand much better the physics of your Fantom device.

Best Regards -
Jens.

I think what cyclops was after, and I am also wondering is:

If I create a multi-sample with Yase in project A can I copy it to Project B?

Can I share it with my friends here on the Fantom Clan, or will the samples of the multi-sample be specific to the Project because of the relation to specific sample numbers?

If patches can't be sold/shared/bought/imported, then we have an problem with Rolands architecture. There will never be content...

yeah, I think that jessej has fully understood my confusion about multisamples.

I'm still refferring to Fantom-G's architecture: where on earth are those multisamples saved. I mean, suppose I have 300 samples in my Fantom-G and I've assigned them to multisamples. Where are the multisamples stored??? I mean not the samples themselves, but the assignments???

The Fantom-G project folders are specific. There is SEQ folder that handles all the phrases and the assignements into songs, RPS, Rhythm patterns and the like. There is SMPL folder that contains all the sample data, whether they belong to multisamples or they are audio track data. Then there is the SND folder that handles all sound banks and system settings data.

In none of these folders are there any subfolders or files that are associated or implied that have any relation at all with sample assignment into multisamples. I understand that the multisample feature was essentially an afterthought of the architecture, since it was not present on version 1.03 which was the initial OS version of the Fantom-G, but those multisamples have to be somewhere. That's why I suspect thet maybe they are embedded into the fangsnd.svd file that resides into the SND folder. If someone knows something about this, please inform us.

You are right - Multisamples and patches of your project are stored inside the "fans.svd" (Fan-X) or "fangsnd.svd" (Fan-G) file, inside the project sub-folder "SND".
YASE accesses this file (next to other data) to read/write the multisample assignments (not the samples).

If you want to copy a multi from Fantom-A to Fantom-B, you will realize that YASE opens a Wizard for the placement of the multis/samples before importing these data.
The Background: YASE recalls the assignment of each imported sample inside the multi - and you can select where to lay the samples down inside the project. YASE recreates the assignments after finishing the import procedure.

jessej,
you cannot share patches and/or multisamples with embedded samples --> as long as you don't use YASE Please refer to my last comment.

Best Jens.

Thank You Jens for this information!

No sharing of multi-samples then... what a huge fuckup from Roland!

Good we have the Yase, I hope it will be released for OSX too... Is anyone here able to run Yase successfully on VMWare?

I think it does, I can remember myself that I already heard of that!

greets

jesse:

No sharing of multi-samples then... what a huge fuckup from Roland!

No kidding! I thought roland hadn't fuckedup with anything else!!!