how many have the live performance lag issue?
30 Dec 2006, 15:45hey i just wondered how may people get annoyed by the amout of time(3sec silence) it takes to switch to another sound??
Fantom-S and Fantom-X
how many have the live performance lag issue?
technique
30 Dec 2006, 17:14If you are making a comment relative to the Fantom X:
I use performance mode and have all 16 tracks defined for a particular arrangement. All you have to do is move the cursor up or down in part view mode to select a new sound. You can save all volume, pan and effects parameters required for the arrangement.
To layer sounds, set the check mark on the sounds you want to layer.
The other technique is the Favorite patch list.
Read the manual if this is not clear.
Mark
I use performance mode and have all 16 tracks defined for a particular arrangement. All you have to do is move the cursor up or down in part view mode to select a new sound. You can save all volume, pan and effects parameters required for the arrangement.
To layer sounds, set the check mark on the sounds you want to layer.
The other technique is the Favorite patch list.
Read the manual if this is not clear.
Mark
Re: how many have the live performance lag issue?
30 Dec 2006, 19:49Hi MarkShovel,
this is the best erasure. To put in all 16 parts sounds and to pick up the sound by select the part. I use only the Performance on stage and live. Happy new year.
Leyton
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this is the best erasure. To put in all 16 parts sounds and to pick up the sound by select the part. I use only the Performance on stage and live. Happy new year.
Leyton
You search for more sounds, when check this out!
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Www.SynthLine.De
Sounddesign & more
Www.Rolandsynth.Net
we design the sound
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You search for more sounds, when check this out!
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Sounddesign & more
Www.Rolandsynth.Net
we design the sound
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Re: how many have the live performance lag issue?
9 Jan 2007, 19:31yea but what if you have split? several layers? it would be time consuming sitting there checking/unchecking all boxes!
Re: how many have the live performance lag issue?
9 Jan 2007, 23:52I've yet to find a song I perform live that needs more than 16 layers/splits (plus I have a second keyboard that I use as a master controller for another layer on the X7). Since I'm switching patches between songs the time is never an issue. You can cover a lot of parts with splits. Obviously it's a little more challenging with an X6, but it can be done.
-Matt
-Matt
-Matt
Re: how many have the live performance lag issue?
10 Jan 2007, 06:35n4eem
You have mentioned before those 3 sec in other posts.
I find that to be too much. The time to switch between sounds was already widely discussed over here but I don't remember anyone talking about 3 sec. My 7 takes a split second to do it. Is your Fantom new? or is it a used keyboard, maybe with a bad main board?
You have mentioned before those 3 sec in other posts.
I find that to be too much. The time to switch between sounds was already widely discussed over here but I don't remember anyone talking about 3 sec. My 7 takes a split second to do it. Is your Fantom new? or is it a used keyboard, maybe with a bad main board?
Re: how many have the live performance lag issue?
10 Jan 2007, 15:38yea my fantom x6 is brand new!!! basically when i switch sound in live performance it takes up2 3sec to switch, but it only takes upto 3secs on sounds with high effects and layers!! but it happens on my strings wich is annoying!! to put it in picture........ if i play notes ABC repeatdly on (steady tempo) piano, then if i switch from piano to strings i will miss A and just catch the end of note B i hope you understood that..lol just wondered if that was normal!?!
Re: how many have the live performance lag issue?
11 Jan 2007, 03:31Hi,
you can use the 16 PADS also to change patches / volumes / keyboard ranges / ... etc.
You just have make the required SYSEX settings in a pattern , and assign the pattern to a PAD with the RPS function.
I don't understand SYSEX very well, but in the editor software all changes are shown as a SYSEX message also.
It takes some time, but it surely helped me to play this different songs i.e. in a medley
Hope it helps ....
Kr
you can use the 16 PADS also to change patches / volumes / keyboard ranges / ... etc.
You just have make the required SYSEX settings in a pattern , and assign the pattern to a PAD with the RPS function.
I don't understand SYSEX very well, but in the editor software all changes are shown as a SYSEX message also.
It takes some time, but it surely helped me to play this different songs i.e. in a medley
Hope it helps ....
Kr
Re: how many have the live performance lag issue?
11 Jan 2007, 15:14inknow but you carnt use the pads to switch performances wich is a bummer!!
Re: how many have the live performance lag issue?
11 Jan 2007, 15:28n4eem here are some more suggestions
If you align your performances next to each other and save as user or card then you can switch them in performance mode using + or -.
You could also set them up using the clipboard feature. I love the clipboard feature and use it for a range of things.
There is always a work around somehow if you persevere. There are not many live performers who use just one keyboard. I would never go back to one keyboard in a live band setup again. 2 boards give you a lot of flexiblility without racking your brain.
If you align your performances next to each other and save as user or card then you can switch them in performance mode using + or -.
You could also set them up using the clipboard feature. I love the clipboard feature and use it for a range of things.
There is always a work around somehow if you persevere. There are not many live performers who use just one keyboard. I would never go back to one keyboard in a live band setup again. 2 boards give you a lot of flexiblility without racking your brain.
Re: how many have the live performance lag issue?
12 Jan 2007, 07:02hi ive just added a clip for you to listen concerning my live performce sound switching, please note: i AM constantly pressing the keys, when you hear the cut out thats during the sound switching! tell me what you think, i may be worrying about nothing thankyou: link:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=565759
(click on fantom x6 live perf clip )
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=565759
(click on fantom x6 live perf clip )
Re: how many have the live performance lag issue?
12 Jan 2007, 07:53n4eem
sorry but ...
if you count 3 sec in there your day must be around 10h long and your heart must beat at around 200 bpm
No, that's the "normal" silence when you switch sounds so I think you better just be worried about your time piece
sorry but ...
if you count 3 sec in there your day must be around 10h long and your heart must beat at around 200 bpm
No, that's the "normal" silence when you switch sounds so I think you better just be worried about your time piece
Re: how many have the live performance lag issue?
12 Jan 2007, 09:25i know but you see the cut out gap--especially on my stringss :'(
Re: how many have the live performance lag issue?
12 Jan 2007, 11:31n4eem,
I agree with V-CeeOh. I didn't hear anything unusual at all. I 'm not sure what you expect from any synth/workstation when it comes to sound switching in a live situation. What I heard is no different than any other board I've owned (Roland, Ensoniq, Kawai, etc.). Anytime any Effects are in the mix, a delay, however small, is inevitable.
Other folks haven't responded with any similar issues/problems because they simply don't have the same (possibly unrealistic) expectations. I don't think you have a 'bug' on your Fantom, much less 3 seconds!
Bassman
I agree with V-CeeOh. I didn't hear anything unusual at all. I 'm not sure what you expect from any synth/workstation when it comes to sound switching in a live situation. What I heard is no different than any other board I've owned (Roland, Ensoniq, Kawai, etc.). Anytime any Effects are in the mix, a delay, however small, is inevitable.
Other folks haven't responded with any similar issues/problems because they simply don't have the same (possibly unrealistic) expectations. I don't think you have a 'bug' on your Fantom, much less 3 seconds!
Bassman
Bassman
Re: how many have the live performance lag issue?
12 Jan 2007, 11:44yea true, suppose ur right but my strings still takes longer then the rest! looking for a solution.......
but my strings still takes longer then the rest! looking for a solution.......