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need XV88 or Fantom X8 advice

need XV88 or Fantom X8 advice

27 Dec 2006, 07:22
Hello Roland users,

For chrismass day I was asked to play in a band to play in a childrens christmassmusical. (I'm not english, sorry if spelling and words are not correct). I could borough a XV88 from a friend for the event. I picked it up on my way to the first rehearsel, so without using the XV before I did the rehearsel. For this musical I needed many differend sounds. Another guy was playing the grand piano, my job was to fill in the other sounds. I was amazed by how quick I got used to this keyboard. Using the patch finder I found the sounds very quick. Using the zone function I had performances with 4 differend sounds with level control using the 4 faders both in split and layer configurations setup in minutes. There was no delay in the rehearsel session because I had to adapt to this new instrument, which is very important when working with groups of children. I had the keyboard at home for one week before the final show and I could really quick edit the patches in detail, and setup the final performances for each song. Especially the nummeric keypad, the sliders, the zones function and the performance function are very good for live players. And the keyboard action is perfect for my play style.

But in the current Roland line of products the XV does not exist anymore. And the Fantom X8 does have some very nice additions like the pads, the sampler, the sequencer/HD recorder and USB connectivity. I really like these features because it makes the X8 more a writing tool, and I'm writing a musical at the moment myself. But I'm afraid it is not as quick and flexible to use in a live setting as the XV88.

My questions:
1: Does the Fantom has the same full, warm sound as the XV88? Does it have the same DA convertors and build in waveforms.
2: The X8 seems to me more like a studio instrument. Is it as quick and flexible in a Live setting as the XV88?
3: Is the keyboard the same, does it has the same action?
4: I'm also looking at the Alesis Fusion 8HD. Because of the Fm and VA synthesis. Does anyone has any experience in using that one live? Does it has also has the standard soundset for musical-like productions?

Bottom line, should I try to get a second hand XV88 or should I go for a Fantom X8 (or maybe the Alesis Fusion 8HD).

Thanks for reading this long story, and thanks in advance for any reply.

Greetings,

Wilmar Boer

Re: need XV88 or Fantom X8 advice

27 Dec 2006, 09:29
Having used both the XV88 and the Fantom X. I much prefer the Fantom. The larger color screen really makes it easy to find and setup performances. I also like the graphical display of the keyboard when setting split points. The Live Play mode also makes it easy to have all of your patches, performances and sequences in a logical order without having to re-write to different locations.

Carl
Fantom X-7, RD-300s
Carl
Fantom X8, SRX-06, Mackie DFX-6, Peavey KB/A 50

Re: need XV88 or Fantom X8 advice

27 Dec 2006, 12:15
You are going to lose the four sliders and the ten key data entry pad with the Fantom X8. I have a few quibbles with the Fantom soundset and operating system, but in general it's larger, better, and the D/A converters are also better I believe. The samples themselves are 44.1 instead of 32 on the XV-88.

Butif you're using them as faders, the knobs on the Fantoms are not nearly as easy to use as the XP/XV sliders. And XV-88s are very cheap these days, another big positive. It's one real weakness is it's acoustic piano, but if you need a better one you can throw in SRX-11.

Try a Fantom. They're everywhere. That's the best advice I have. And your English is fine btw.

Re: need XV88 or Fantom X8 advice

30 Dec 2006, 06:30
Thanks for the reply's, that's good info.

2 more questions:

1 Does the S88 also has the Live mode and the Piano mode
2 Does a new Fantom X8 come with the audiotrack update standard or is it always an option?

Re: need XV88 or Fantom X8 advice

30 Dec 2006, 12:13
Hi

1. The S88 features the Piano Mode too, but not sure if Live Mode too.

2. The Fantom X ships with Audio Track Expansion already built in from factory since mid 2005.

Regards

Roland Fantom X8

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Roland Fantom X8

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need XV88 or Fantom X8 advice

30 Dec 2006, 13:07
The other great piece of news is Roland has ported all the XV series patches (which includes the XV88 patch banks A - F) to the Fantom X and these are available for free by downloading from the following link:

http://www.rolandus.com/support/downloads_updates/eula.aspx?DownloadId=429

That is another 1024 patches you can add to the Fantom X's already extensive sound palette by using the librarian software included with the keyboard :-)

Keith
Keith

Roland Fantom X8

Re: need XV88 or Fantom X8 advice

30 Dec 2006, 13:40
Hi Wilmar,

I have no experience with the XV88, but I wanted to address your question on the Fusion. While the Fusion 8HD has many great featurs, and some good sounds, in my opinion the keyboard itself it very sub-par. I would describe the action as spongy, and the keys themselvs feel very plastic to the touch.

This kind of thing is very subjective though, so you may play it and think "that guy on Fantomized was nuts!". If so, awesome. It's probably one of the most affordable 88 key weighted action boards out there, so if you like it, jump on it. It is a good workstation. Just be sure to compare the action to the Fantom X8. My guess is that you'll see a huge difference.

Best of luck!

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Re: need XV88 or Fantom X8 advice

30 Dec 2006, 14:01
Action on the XV-88, S-88 and Fantom X8 are identical. Both use PA-5 hammer mechanism.

Roland Fantom X8

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Re: need XV88 or Fantom X8 advice

31 Dec 2006, 05:43
This forum only could be reason not to buy the Alesis. Thanks for the info.

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