Fantoms Best Hammond B3 sounds ever!! FREE

Jason, thanks for the mention. This B3 modelling really took many many hours of work and it is nice to see so many people enjoying it as I do. You have been very patient with my many questions and suggestions so, thanks.

JazzXR, I can tell you that if the emulator could have been created using a lesser number of parts and midi channels then Jason would have found that way. It really takes a lot of resources to represent the various elements of the B3. He went about creating real B3 modelling and not just giving us some great B3 samples. In this way, you, the musician can control all of the elements of the B3 through Fantom and edit them in real time.

It would have been great if all of the elements could have been put onto one channel but then you couldnt have the 9 individual drawbars, real harmonic foldback, proper percussion, leakage and key click. Jason has covered so much ground here and I dont think it can be done using a lesser number of parts.

As Jason said in his last post, the patches are sufficient for sequence use. So, if you find a patch that you like that works in your mix, then use it.

Howard

ok howardS...tnx for your reply. The B4Real is a great library for the fantom community, and JC is the guru..I appreciate very much his work.
I will look at the patches and not the performance..

tnx to all, again.

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I know..I'm your nightmare!! I don't think to be a stupid but...I CAN'T USE THE B4real!
I tried the PATCH mode..but are simply sine waves..singles drawbar sound...no hammond like..
I really want to know: you (the community of Roland Clan) ... how can you play the B4Real, using the fantom like an Hammond??
Please...
I'm afraid to post the same question again, but i REALLY want to use this library and play like Jimmy Smith

When you turn on the fantom..what do you do to play with the B4Real library?

Sorry....again.

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JazzXR, I dont really use the patches as I prefer to use it in emulator or performance mode but I just checked it and it looks like you need to load the samples from B4Real for the patches to work properly.

no you should not have to load any samples

just load the fans file and there should be some patches called

880000888 and so forth... that is the drawbar settings... these are fairly common drawbar settings and if you change your assignable knobs to general 1,2,3,4 respectively you can control the tone of the patch.. kinda like having mini drawbars...


JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Traction 2.0,Sound Forge 8,Acid 4.0,Mackie Onyx /w firwire option, Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones

Sorry I got that wrong.

Actually, I do use the patch as I added one to part 13 of the B4Real performance some time ago. But it loads automatically with the song so I had forgotten this. Then I connect another keyboard and set its midi out to channel 13 and use it as a dual board organ. I use the second board as my lower board.

The only other adjustment I had to make was to play with the volumes to get it to match the emulator. I also made sure to route the effects through the Chorus MFX and the Leslie so then those effects also affect my lower board.

If anyone tries this just remember that the proper way to save the performance of B4Real is by saving the song, not just the performance.

JazzXR....I just copied the contents of the zip file onto a spare flash card, and used the svd file from the B4real 8 folder on the card.

Then loaded a song...b4real8 svq I think there was 3, I used the middle one as this has the rps set up for the pads.

Then hit layer split and scrolled through the performances. I think there are 13 or 14 performances all of which are good but I particularly like the Jimmy Smith one.

I recorded a 12 bar bass and drums onto parts 13 and 14 and loop played them and then just played along.....for about 3 hours...it was great....must learn how to play though!

Artemio.....Any sign of that document JC sent you ????

I couldnt actually find any of the patches JC mentions only the DC1, DC2 etc

A big thanks again to JC for donating this marvel!!

F XA SRX07 Guitaristsongwriter Trying to get to grips with Synths

Hi jason, thanks for the library, I'm sure it's very good, unfortunately I have been trying for the past 2 hrs to load it using a flash card in the card slot and got nowhere. Why is Roland stuff so damn complicated. When I try to move the snd file or copy it in the file utility it says 'Permission denied'. What am I doing wrong? All i want to do is load the samples and patches, nothing fancy!

Hi prospero!Maybe your card is write protected..
Rogerp1...tnx for this reply...I'm too much confused...Do I have to load a song???...I give up..

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be sure that you are only copying the file and not the directory and it should work fine..

Jazz XR... This is a collection of a lot of my work..

included are about 600 patches that are organized into banks of 256

also there is a svq called synthony

and all of the generations or *Versions* of B4Real.. each have their own sound and methods...

you load most of them by loading a SVQ file.... If you cannot do that then you need to hit the books so you understand your fantom better..

the rest of the B4reall collection is a collection of patches.. and performances...

load the svd file from the folder B4real in the snd folder and you should be able to scroll through a lot of performances with famous organists names... also there are patches in the CRD bank that are great for sequencing with... all you have to do is save them to your user bank for easy use...


JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Traction 2.0,Sound Forge 8,Acid 4.0,Mackie Onyx /w firwire option, Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones

OK guys,,


B4real 8 notes

first of all if you havent checked... check the rps patterns... there are tons.... with names so you can figure out what they do. the cool thing about this is that you can choose your own setup by assigning the different patterns to your pads... coool huh?

second play with the assignable knobs... theres some cool stuff assigned to them..

the mod lever works for rotary speaker as well as the assignable buttons and the foot pedal.

check the mixer veiw to make your own settings.. dont forget about leakage and key click

hope that helps.


JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Traction 2.0,Sound Forge 8,Acid 4.0,Mackie Onyx /w firwire option, Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones

Hi Folks - sorry to be a pain but I am still all at sea on this. I have scoured the manual for help but found nothing apart from pages 31 and 223-224 abd they do not explain it, is there some other page I should be reading? I have also looked at the Workshop stuffand found nothing. I have got to the stage where in File Utility I have copied a whole list of .svq files starting with B4R6 in to what is called 'user' at the top of the screen. Above that is [TMP and above that is [Roland. If I open up Roland I get a list that starts with [PNL and ends with FANS.SVD 912kb. Where do I go from here? My User sounds are unchanged and if I scroll thru to card all it has are 'init' patches which are all piano. I guess ther is some easy and maybe obvious next step that i should be doing but I don't know what it is. Maybe I'm thick but I can usually follow a manual if it explains what to do and I can't find instructions in my manual. Thanks chaps
Tim

***************Patches******************

Roland ----------this is the root of your folder
Roland\SND----------this is a sub folder
Roland\SNG-----------this is a sub folder also
Roland\TMP------------this is also a sub folder
Roland\Audio Import------this is also a sub folder

If you copy the entire ROLAND folder to an empty CF card then you are entirely setup and ready to use the library

in the library there are folders

Roland\Snd\fans.svd------this is your default svd file
Roland\snd\B4real----------this folder contains a fans.svd for B4real
Roland\snd\xvpads----------this folder contains a fans.svd for the xv patches that are categorized as pads

Roland\snd\b4real\fans.svd-------select this file and hit copy
roldand\snd--------select this directory and hit paste. this replaces the current Roland\snd\fans.svd with your new b4real\fans.svd

eject your CF card and reinsert and check the patches on your card bank... voila!!!

just incase you didnt get that here it is again

Roland\snd\xvpads\fans.svd-------select this file and hit copy
roldand\snd--------select this directory and hit paste. this replaces the current Roland\snd\fans.svd with your new xvpads\fans.svd

eject your CF card and reinsert and check the patches on your card bank... voila!!!


**********************songs*****************

Roland\SNG folder has a ton of SVD files.. if you copied the zipfile onto a blank CF card then there should be no problems

Hit Save/Load... (the button just above your Pads) and choose load song, you should see alot of song files.. with version names such as b4real7 b4real6 and so on.. choose one and load it... then hit RPS to turn it on... or lookup and run lazyboys fix for the RPS bug on all the files (look it up)

once the song has been loaded and RPS is turned on all you have to do is hit a pad for the presets..

****PLEASE UNDERSTAND***** the zipfile is purposely organized so that if you copy it to an empty CF card everything is where it should be... the only files you should copy is the fans.svd file of your choice(see above) nothing else needs to be moved...

Regards, JCTHEMC


JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Traction 2.0,Sound Forge 8,Acid 4.0,Mackie Onyx /w firwire option, Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones

Thanks for the explanation etc, this must have tried your patience. I have followed your instructions as cloesly as possible, my X8 does not have the 'paste' command but it does have 'exec' which i assume is the same. It appears that I have the choice of where to paste the B4real fans.svd file and I have tried in all possible places e..g. User-Roland, fans.svd etc . What I got at first was just a few Hammond patches in User about 8 or so e.g. 8880008, Leakage, Drawbar 1 and in 'card' I have and still have a lot of very nice synth patches beginning with Planet F% and ending with 160 Hard Alpha. Since then the few B3 patches have vanished in User and now i have a whole load of very nice pad patches starting with Vintage Orch an cannot seem to get the few Hammond patches back. I am wondering if this is what I should have, I suspect not, I am also wondering if there is something wrong with my Fantom or card or maybe my brain. But thanks anyway. You have obviously put a lot of work into this already without sorting out everyones technical shortcomings so don't feel that you need to reply if you are worn down with this. Sorry again...Best wishes Tim

prospero, I would ask that everyone delete any planet F patches that you might have Or purchase the package Planet F from artemio found as this is a retail copy and was not supposed to be included in my collection of patches... I looked carefully through the collection but something must have been miscategorized

Art If you want to pull the file untill I clean out your patches feel free.. this was entirely a mistake and I apologize for somehow allowing this to happen... I made a point of deleting any folders that had retail patches. I dont know how this happened..

as far as the patches prospero... try this again..

be sure to copy the fans.svd from the desired folder to the CARD\roland\snd\fans.svd

the default that the fantom chooses after you choose copy is the USER area.. and this is why you are having problems

press card and then browse to the roland\snd\fans.svd and press exec and you should be in business

you should only have a few usable patches...

80088808 and so forth once you find them... re- save them to your user directory for easy access..

and if you press Performance then you will see a big list of hammond performances...

good luck


JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Traction 2.0,Sound Forge 8,Acid 4.0,Mackie Onyx /w firwire option, Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones