Is it possible 16 track sequencing with diffrent V-synth pac

Go to MENU -> Info and there you can assign a patch to each of the channels. Note that [1] the effects will be taken from the patch on channel 1 [2] you cannot save this setup [3] polyphony is not enough for more than 3-4 parts in general. I never use the V this way, I record or resample the parts and then use them as audio tracks or samples in a workstation (be it hard or soft).

That sounds like a bit of pain as if you want to fully enjoy v-synth you must have a workstation. Do you know if V-synth XT has same limitation to 1 midi channl transmition?

Cheers

The V-Synth has a polyphony of 24 voices. If you use more than 3 or 4 midi channels, you will run out of them.
You can create such complicated sounds that even with 1 patch it's possible that the 'note-stealing' effect occurs.
The V-Synth is a performance synth. If Roland wanted to make it fully multitimbral, they should have added LOTS of extra voices and that would raise the cost so high that only very very rich people could afford it.
Just do as Artemio does, I do the same. I make audio tracks of already recorded parts and then the V-Synth is free again for new tracks. (but I also make a copy of that midi-track and mute it... just in case I need to change something afterwards)

thanks for your response - So if Roland wanted to do it, the new V-synth created would be comparable in price to Korg Oasys.

One minor amendment:

>> [2] you cannot save this setup

Not quite true. You can do a dump of the setup as SysEx messages. Transmitting this back to the V-Synth restores the setup. I have found this to be very easy:
-arm your sequencer for record,
-go to the V-Synth menu where patches, setups, and system settings are dumped and trigger the dump
-stop the sequencer.
-use the sequencer edit commands to move the sysex stuff to the beginning of the song

bingo, you are in business.

In fact, I have to say that managing the V-Synth entirely through sysex messages -- including restoring patch settings, etc. -- is a very reasonable way to go, and it means that you don't have to goof around with the storage on the V-Synth much at all; the problem is pushed into your sequencer.

This doesn't change the fact that there is only one effects unit or that polyphony is limited of course.

-illiac

> Not quite true.

I *know* this, I mean it is not possible with the built-in controls (like saving a performance on Fantom for example).

Art,

You know lots and lots of stuff! I was thinking perhaps the fellow who posted the question didn't know it.

-illiac

Hermax:

This is exactly what I suggest to all who asks me how to work with the V-Synth! Select/create a patch, record a MIDI part for V-Synth, then record it to audio track, mute that MIDI track, save the V-Synth patch - and then repeat as times as you want.

I know what Artemio And Illiac are suggesting and it works, ofcourse! At the same time, I can understand why Victor is so frustrated because for someone coming from workstation/midi essentic world, it's a bit different working with V-Synth. Then again, V-Synth is not a workstation or for that matter a traditional synth. Victor, try to get in the habit of using the work arounds suggested by Art & Illiac and in due time you'll feel much more comfortable with it. I'm giving this advise as a V-Synth newbie myself (resistence is futile!!).

This thread reminds me of the time when I moved from procedural based programming to Object Oriented Programming (such a pain) but now, OOP is just second nature to me. Don't give up!

just wanted to add a note here. you can simply send a PC message on a specific MIDI channel to set the patch for that channel. (Maybe this is common knowledge but for some reason I never tried it before.) So instead of dumping the SETUP or entering it from the INFO screen, you can just insert PC messages on the appropriate channels in your sequencer.

This does nothing to change the limitations of multitimbral operation, i.e., all parts share the part 1 Effect setting, and the limitation on voices is what it is...

-illiac

I use FL studio and the v-synth as a sound module. However to save on the polyphony I run my drum tracks to my 303 and I layer my v-synth leads/synth with my juno. This frees up my v-synth a bit for the more demanding sounds.

What Illiac is saying is true. I save my patch information in my FL studio project. When I open they project it sets the channels to the appropriate patches. ANd viola I just continue working. In my tutorial about fruity loops I show you exactly how to do that.

Anyway have fun!

as is mentioned in this thread, voice stealing will become an issue, which is the primary constraint on thinking of the V-synth as a 16-part multitimbral device.

even with just two parts, the most frustrating thing for me has been the inability to edit the patch for parts other than part one. i.e. you can only ever see the patch window for part one. (please correct me if i am wrong. i hope that i am.)
you can, of course change the patch number for each part, and you could use controllers to tweak the params, but i would like to be able to edit the patch on part 2, for example.

all that said, my strategy for multiple sounds is now to use splits, because you CAN switch and edit any zone you want. in fact, i just learned an easier way to switch zones SHIFT + a midi key to go to that keys zone, or SHIFT plus left right cursor. obviously, this approach limits the key range. for each sound.

E3,

I'm interested in how you manage the zones. Do you use transposition of individual zones to map the keyrange you've allocated to that zone to the actual keyrange you want to play? (Hope that question makes more sense to you than it does to me reading it back haha.)

-illiac

illiac,
i believe the answer to your question would have to be "yes".
that is, the patch within the zone would have to be transposed
(somehow) to be in the desired range. in some cases, this could make the patch that lives in the zone in an unusual range, if you were to be using the whole key board.

as such, it makes good sense to, when possible, use the lower octaves for sounds like bass, and high octaves for leads (for example).

as for what parameter affects the transposition, I would use the most global point possible. (i.e. NOT transpose the OSCs).
i think the best place to do this would be the common-> tune param area for the patch. here, you can do coarse tuning +/- 48 half steps (4 octaves either way.)

it would be nice, but I do not beleive that you can transpose external to the patch (for instance transpose the zone.)

i think your question also may infer the possibility of tranposing the midi note on to change to range. this would not work, because the midi not is tied to the zone, therefore the zone patch itself must do the shift.

to be honest, my mention of that strategy (as of yesterday) was that it is a new approach to a solution for me. indeed, last night i "init'ed" a patch, configured a split across my board (3 zones), and started programming and or transferring patches into the zones.

good luck, let me know how it goes.