Official - No Roland PC editor due

progressivefusion wrote:

I need I pc editor. Cubase7 and K-take Editor doesn't works with my setup and is difficult change over 6000 patch with front panel.

Sorry for asking, but what's the problem with your setup that prevents you from using K_Take's editor?
Not working as a VST/AU plug-in? Or something else?

You can't choose one sound from the possible 6000 as there are not 6000 sounds available at a time, but near 3700 instead, as we can't load all STX and ExSN boards at the same time :-)

Why don't you use the StudioSets as your favorite Collection of Tones?
There are 64 of them, each with up to 16 Parts that you can instantly use by just selecting the respective MIDI channel(s), or even mix / layer them in any combination possible?

When I have Cubase 7 open Integra / editor doesn't works. Out of midi memory.... I had to close Cubase to change sounds with editor...

Often I put a part in cycle mode and try to looking for a better sound for that part... Without a vst editor I can't....

Sorry but I have no problem using Cubase 7 and Integra 7 K-Take Sound Editor for PC.... I change tones while recording audio and no problem at all....

Triptic wrote:

Sorry but I have no problem using Cubase 7 and Integra 7 K-Take Sound Editor for PC.... I change tones while recording audio and no problem at all....

I can do the same with any of the DAWs I'm using (Reaper, Studio One 2, Sonar X1), and works perfectly.

It must be something with your specific setup... Can you describe in detail how do you have your setup connected/ configured?

If I open Editor and then Cubase I can change patch with editor BUT CUBASE doesn't talk with Integra (Channel midi 1 sounds right - Channel midi 2 sounds like channel midi 1 - Channel midi 3 etc etc). If I have strings in integra midi 2 Cubase sounds like midi 1 (piano).

If I open Cubase then Editor appears this window

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwaffCZ1-zpqVlo1UnhPbnRCZWc/edit?usp=sharing

My setup

Integra 7 - Fantom x 8 - Intel core I7 - Asus p8Z77-8 V pro thunderbolt - Motu 896HD - UAD 7.0 - Home premium sp1 64bit - 32gb - Toontrack Superior Metal Foundry - Overloud Th2 - Cubase 7.0.4 64 bit

Integra 7 and Fantomx 8 are connected directly with Pc with USB...

progressivefusion wrote:

If I open Editor and then Cubase I can change patch with editor BUT CUBASE doesn't talk with Integra (Channel midi 1 sounds right - Channel midi 2 sounds like channel midi 1 - Channel midi 3 etc etc). If I have strings in integra midi 2 Cubase sounds like midi 1 (piano).

If I open Cubase then Editor appears this window

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwaffCZ1-zpqVlo1UnhPbnRCZWc/edit?usp=sharing

My setup

Integra 7 - Fantom x 8 - Intel core I7 - Asus p8Z77-8 V pro thunderbolt - Motu 896HD - UAD 7.0 - Home premium sp1 64bit - 32gb - Toontrack Superior Metal Foundry - Overloud Th2 - Cubase 7.0.4 64 bit

Integra 7 and Fantomx 8 are connected directly with Pc with USB...

I can see that you have CUBASE as the heart of your environment.
Are you using the Integra-7 as your sound board ?

EDITED: Just saw the MOTU 896HD in your setup list...so I presume that's your sound board


From the Picture it seems that is a MIDI collision between different devices, as the Editor complains about it. Maybe it's worth checking again your MIDI parameters in Cubase / Editor

Presuming you are using it to control the integra, in your case I would connect the Fantom X8 MIDI OUT to the Integra-7 MIDI IN, having only Cubase connected via USB.

Just thoughts

I will try! But I have Integra 7 and Fantomx audio channel in "listen mode", if I use fantom midi out to integra midi in when I play one channel (for example toontrack superior Metal foundry) integra makes sound...

Can I use a Patch script in Cubase 7?

anotherscott wrote:

Oxford Blue wrote:

Having been obliged to part with in excess of £400 for an iPad, I am now obliged to buy relatively expensive Mac computer device to achieve the full benefit of my Integra 7's.

When you bought your Integra, no computer editor was promised at all. The fact that, as a bonus, they came out with one for the Mac doesn't make the I7 any less useful than you expected it to be on the day you bought it.

This kind of reminds me of all the hubbub about the editor for the Kronos. That was worse because Korg actually said there would be one (something Roland never promised), and Korg caught hell online for taking a year to come out with it. The irony was, once it came out, pretty much no one liked it anyway.

Moral, as always: Buy something because it works well for you as it is out of the box, and then you've made a good purchase no matter what else a company might or might not do. Don't buy based on a promise of what they may do in the future, or worse, for what you hope they will do that they never even promised.

Yes, but it's this sort of sloppy nonsense that has so many users disgruntled. They've gone to the bother of coding the the damn thing - just port if for God sake. There is no legitimate reason, other than lazy, sloppy thinking, that would instigate the development of a Mac editor and not do a PC version.

And in this, Roland had to know they'd annoy a lot of users, a lot of prospective users, and spark this type of meaningless discussion. Charge a little extra for the damn thing but make it available.

I am not looking to attach Roland arbitrarily - I own about 20 Roland synths and including the JP80, V-Synth GT and GAIA (as well as classics like the Dimension D, J6, J106, VP330...). I love Roland's vintage sound and I love their latest Supernatural, Vocal Design and other technologies. All wonderful.


But - repeatedly in recent times - they release their products in the most unfinished state, in the most frustrating state and in the most divisive manner possible. There seems to be a significant and important disconnect between the engineers designing all of this wonderful technology and the division who package it into products. I could list off literally dozens of poor and incredibly sloppy decision making by Roland in just the last few years; and this decision to release an editor for Mac bu NOT for PC is but one example (I'm a Mac user so when I get my Integral 7 will not be particularly effected) - just -simply cannot understand Roland's stupid thinking on this.

Kevin

knolan wrote:

They've gone to the bother of coding the the damn thing - just port if for God sake.

I don't know why people think porting is necessarily a trivial matter. (If it were, there would be Mac versions of the gobs and gobs of PC programs...)

Two things, apart from the actual GUI presentation, it's mostly MIDI implementation, and since the newer MACS are Intel based anyway, it's not as if they have to write for a completely difference processor.

Also the fact they own a percentage of the Windows flagship DAW (Sonar), and then completely dismiss this community of users is what the previous poster said sloppy!

Roland don't support their products fully and don't even really know how to sell them, they don't really seem to invest in them fully, maybe there isn't the return as they used to beon hardware? You only have to look at the V-Synth V2.0 and XT and the VariOS no more VC cards but the two (which were excellent produced), Fantom G owners only had 3 super natural cards and no way to install an SRX board

skinmechanic wrote:

Two things, apart from the actual GUI presentation, it's mostly MIDI implementation, and since the newer MACS are Intel based anyway, it's not as if they have to write for a completely difference processor.

The common processor isn't really a factor. Almost no programming is done in assembly language anymore, it's almost all done in high level languages where no processor-specific coding is done. But development tools are not necessarily cross-platform.

Whenever I read someone say "it should be easy to..." I always end up thinking "sounds like someone who hasn't actually ever done this kind of programming."

I think so also skinmechanic ,

Its inconceivable to have a state of the art DAW under its wing, and not have it completely support what Roland announce as a "Flagship Product" in the Integra7, on the P.C format. Almost as if marketing doesn't speak to development, or other strange scenarios in a global company setup. Developers and Creators are usually complete enthusiasts and therefore can be excused for not feeling the pulse of the consumer, but marketing? come on.. Unless its all the same guys, just boffins maybe without business sense?. They're missing out though because they have a good product and should be hammering it out there.

Thanks for great informative post

To all the complainers:

GET OVER IT.

It would have been nice if Roland had made the WIndows editor, but I didn't buy the Integra on condition that one would be forthcoming. I bought it because it is simply, hands down, the best sound module ever made in terms of the sheer variety of its sounds and sheer quality of its newer SN sounds. I've since sold ever legacy piece of Roland equipment I've owned, including a Sonic Cell and all of my SRX cards, because the Integra has everything I need.I haven't used my other sound modules and keyboards for sound sources since getting the Integra, since listening to their inferior quality tones just doesn't cut it for me anymore. I've gotten rid of all the memory-hogging VSTs on my PC since none of them come ever close in quality to the Integra.

My quibbles with the Integra are more about the architecture--the organization of expansion sounds in particular--but in terms of ease of use nothing beats it.

If being able to edit via computer inside a DAW is your main criteria for getting a piece of hardware, then I do suggest that you go straight to VSTs and spends thousands and thousands of dollars building a collection that even comes partially close to the variety and quality of what you can with the Integra for under two grand. Oh, and then you can have fun dealing with crashes and dongles and arcane copy protection schemes and expensive upgrades and operating system incompatibles.

Me, I don't by a sound module so I can embed it into a DAW and spend my time editing it. I use it to make music. For me, there's never been anything better than the Integra. I'll take a sound module with amazing sounds anyday over an inferior and more expensive product that's fully PC-friendly. But that's just me. Your mileage may vary.

Well said! You also have the excellent 3rd party PC editor so what is all the or worrying and moaning about? Make some music instead.