OSv1, OSv2 & Synth Legends Sound Management

Great!

It seems the JP80 is becoming a full-time job for you. ;-)

Tom_1970 wrote:

Great!

:)

Tom_1970 wrote:

It seems the JP80 is becoming a full-time job for you. ;-)

You are not joking!!!!

Dewdman42 has done a great job and re-filtered .csv documents to show dependencies 'bottom-up' - ie which tones are used by which livesets; which livesets are used by which registrations.

These updated zips are ready for download now at www.jp-80.com

Hey there! All this talk/text re loading/importing/librarian etc. is frying my brain! I haven't even attempted anything as it all seems so confusing! Are there any step by step video tutorials on how to do the basics? I'm in the process of recording an album of songs (as well as a live reunion gig with my trusty JP80!) with my band from the 80's and want to recreate the Juno 60/SH-101/Jupiter 6 stuff, but when I loaded synth Legends, and discovered everything else had changed (which affects my other wedding/party band!) I just restored back to V2! A video explaining where to start would be just awesome! Please? Also all these sounds at JP-80.com, is it the same process for those? I haven't even created any registrations, so have oodles to fill and would just like to import some instantly useable sounds that won't affect anything on-board! Thanks in advance people who know what they're doing ;-) !

If you need a video tutorial to manage sounds/soundbanks on a $ 3000,- keyboard made in 2012, there's something seriously wrong with the user interface. Roland does not seem to respond to wishes from the users, and as a result, the JP 80 is going to die. Sales in Norway is a disaster, and those who bought it is trying to sell it before it's to late. I sold mine after 11 months of ownership, and I'm glad it's gone.....

Oh boo hoo trommis. Lots of folks are getting on with their Jupiters and making music.

Devnor wrote:

Oh boo hoo trommis. Lots of folks are getting on with their Jupiters and making music.

Of course you can make music with a JP 80 (it's a synth, right?).
Lots of people also drive 20 year old cars, and get where they want.... But there are better ways.

If all you want to do is audition presets there are other options.

IMHO, there's nothing wrong with the interface! It's what you do with it that counts ;)

Deckard007 wrote:

A video explaining where to start would be just awesome! Please? Also all these sounds at JP-80.com, is it the same process for those?!

To be honest a video wouldn't help you much as it's more about the logic than which buttons to press.

The first thing to understand is how the JP-80 reads from the USB stick. It reads from only one folder called ROLAND. In there are two folders, BACKUP and SOUND.

The BACKUP folder holds the data when you use the BACKUP routine in the system menu - it is also used when you use the RESTORE routine. These files hold ALL sounds.

The SOUND folder holds sounds you select for export. It is also used when you want to import sounds.

That said, this is where the head-scratching starts (due to lack of a librarian). If you want to import a sound set (from the SOUND folder) there may not be enough room for the required livesets and tones. So you have to delete some to make room. But (as you have found) it is almost guaranteed you 'break' other Registrations/Livesets that you want to keep.

This is why I created the 'Blank' soundset at JP-80.com.

However - again this is difficult and has to be carefully managed - the JP-80 only reads from one folder called ROLAND. For example I have the v2 sounds, the v1 sounds and the Synth Legends which are complete soundsets. So I have three folders on my USB stick - ROLAND (which holds my current V2 sounds plus my own creations). Then I have a 'ROLAND - v1' folder and a 'ROLAND - SL' one. If I want to load up the Synth Legends (SL) sounds then I first rename the current ROLAND folder to 'ROLAND - Main' then I rename the 'ROLAND - SL' folder to ROLAND. I can then use either the import or restore functions to load the sounds up and overwrite the currently installed sounds. And that's the dangerous bit - get this process wrong and you will overwrite your sounds with no way of getting them back (which is why I have three backups of my USB stick!).

So those are the two fundamental logic elements - folder structure and folder naming and management.

The 'blank' soundset I mentioned above will overwrite everything (apart from SN acoustic tones) and give you a blank JP-80 which you can then import new sounds to your heart's delight. With careful management you can have many 'ROLAND xx' folders which can be renamed to ROLAND whenever you want to use them.

But proceed with caution and backup everything, everytime you play around with import/restore. It's the only way to do until there is a librarian, about which I hear conflicting thoughts about so only time will tell if we ever see one - I remain hopeful that we will indeed get a librarian so we can have a better sound management process.

Does this help at all Deckard007?

PS - yes, it's the same logic for all sounds including those at JP-80.com

Many thanks! I will attempt to decode/decipher your reply ;-). Thought I'd start by attempting a registration, but as usual it's complicated. I assumed that I could just find four live sets that I liked from the presets and add them to a blank registration, but that doesn't seem to be the case! Am trying to create a synth brass sound for a cover of Everybody Wants To Rule The World. I can't find some of the presets that I'd decided on in the synth brass options when I scroll through, for instance 0069 detunsawbrs I'd like to combine with other presets, but where is it?! Thought this would be fairly easy but I gather you have to find a registration and edit that, then save it? I haven't made any yet so have heaps of ones to fill!

Hmmm, am beginning to think a video would help you to at least get started!

It is as easy as you think, but like all simple things, it's only simple once you know how.

Let's try this (if it doesn't help, I'll make a video!);

1. Go to an 'INIT REGISTRATION'. You will see it has two layers - the upper is called 0001 Jupiter Brass and lower is called JP SSaw Brass.

2. Tap on the words 'Jupiter Brass' in the upper layer

3. A scroll box appears

4. Use the dial to get to 0069 DetunSawBrs

5. Press Select

6. You are now returned to the registration screen. You will see that a little red icon has appeared beside the INIT REGISTRATION name. This means you have changed it and if you want to protect the changes, you need to save it.

7. You can repeat steps 2 to 5 for the lower layer

8. If you want to save your new registration, press Write at the top of the screen

9. You can rename it in the next screen and also select where you want it to be stored (it defaults to current location)

10. To make double sure of not losing the new registration, go to menu and select BACKUP. This will write your changes (plus all the other sounds) to your USB stick, which can in turn be imported back using the RESTORE function in the menu area.

Fingers crossed that gets you on your way!

Let me know :)

Yaay just written my first registration! Still couldn't find some of the patches but it's a start! Many thanks. Just a question(or two) though.
Is the solo part always only monophonic?
Can you have four polyhonic synth/acoustic tones instead of percussion/solo?
Thanks for your consideration, and I'll have a play anyway! Gig is Saturday and we're rehearsing tues/thurs and have a gig with party band fri with a family meal wed so tonight it is!
Thanks again for the tips to get me started!

That's great! Glad you're on your way :) It won't be long before you're telling us how to do stuff!

Solo is defaulted to mono but it can be changed...

1. On the Registration screen, tap on 'Edit' next to the Registration name.

2. On the next screen there are tabs along the bottom. Tap on the 'Solo Part' tab.

3. On the left hand side of the next screen, tap on the 'Mono/Poly/Misc' menu item (at the bottom)

4. The top most parameter on the next screen is the mono/poly select field. Scroll through the options - of which Poly is one.

5. Remember to save your registration otherwise the changes will be lost on power-down or if you navigate away to another Registration!

Percussion and solo parts only play tones. The max per Registration is 10 tones - 4 in Upper Layer, 4 in Lower Layer, 1 in percussion and 1 in solo.

Cheers you're a star! I'll try and sneak a mention on the album notes :-)!