Playing single tones live

I'm in the process of doing the same thing for live performance, and the only way I've been able to make it work is to simply fill the Live Set user slots in a way that allows me to use the wheel or inc/dec buttons to quickly go to the next (or previous) Live Set. Given the limited amount of slots, it is a pain. There are always the quick access buttons on the front of the board, but those (as far as I can tell) only work with Registrations. So you COULD put your go-to sounds in the Registrations, but there are ever fewer user registration slots.

I love the sound/sonic potential of this board, but when it comes to being a live instrument it could use more quick-access options. It also could use a larger memory for more user slots.

If you find a better way, let me know!

Don't forget the 27 nice colored buttons, which give you immediate access to change the LiveSets (Upper and Lower) and Tones (Solo Part) within a Registration. And a LiveSet (using just one Tone) is anyway recommandable for your single Tones, because they will keep their assigned effects, which single Tones can't.

You can assign each of those 27 button to two (alternate button) of your most used Livesets and Tones via the System Menu, which will always give you instant access to your most favorite 54 Livesets (with their effects) and Tones WITHIN every single Registration!

And it's of course still very easy and fast to choose even other sounds, than the ones you have already preassigned to the colored buttons, if you just hit them twice, which will open the sound list...
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Dany wrote:

You can assign each of those 27 button to two (alternate button) of your most used Livesets and Tones via the System Menu, which will always give you instant access to your most favorite 54 Livesets (with their effects) and Tones WITHIN every single Registration!
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Whoa! I HOPE I am completely missing the boat on this... Do you mean that for each Registration, I can assign each of the 27 buttons to change the respective upper/lower to the live set of my choice?? If that is the case, I was not aware of this, which changes my plan of attack drastically.

Crikey food for thought! Thanks guys. I'll attempt to decipher your Jupiter code and have a play! If I come up with anything else equally as constructive I'll let you know!

mattsuomi wrote:

Whoa! I HOPE I am completely missing the boat on this... Do you mean that for each Registration, I can assign each of the 27 buttons to change the respective upper/lower to the live set of my choice?? If that is the case, I was not aware of this, which changes my plan of attack drastically.

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. It's unfortunately not as rosy as you think.

You can define only ONE set of button assignments in the System Menu and unfortunately not for every single Registration.

And there is another bad and Roland typical restriction: You can only assign the buttons within the indicated sound categories, apart from the "Other" buttons, which offer all categories. Luckily there is also access to all sound categories in "Alternate" mode.

To have an individual set of completely free button assignments for every single Registration would be a dream indeed....
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This is a great thread for live players.
As a real live player,i thought a lot about how to organize this keyboards.
But after did it,this is a fabulous synth,the best i've had in my life.(if you don't need much real time controllers)

Here's my point of view about that(with some similitudes wrote here before)
1-At first edit all the single tones you need,save it and put it as new live sets!
2-affect all your most used favorite sounds in the dedicated buttons on the panel(there's limitations by family and/or by part,but there are some of your best synth tones you saved n live sets to place here!)(or in solo mode single live tones for exemple)
And because of the alternate buttons,you can put a lot!

I'ts a good beginning.
With that,you have in live sets your best sounds,and the panel button selections with some of your favorite.

3-the best way to switch quickly between sounds in live is the registration mode:
Whatever you want to select(a single tone saved in a live set,or a edited multilayer live set)put it in a registration memory!
So click on" single",save your sound in a registration memory

With all that,you have 256 registrations memory possible.
But with all the 4 banks of 8 memory in direct acces(with the switch buttons under the keyboard:32 quick selections 8 times)

So after all that,your keyboard is well organised by 32 quick acces sounds X 8.

But you have more(some tips):
In 1 saved registration,you can:
-switch between so many sounds easily,with all the dedicated selections buttons (with the alternate)
-Put 2 of the sounds you want in 2 different live sets(1 upper,1 lower),and save it in the same registration.
Once did,you can select/deselect easily in live the affected live sets.

Etc etc.
So don't think"synth tone selection";put all you need in registrations memory,and you have 256 global memories with multiple possibilities in each.
Registrations are like a bag where you put your sounds organised,that's the best way to do!

That's my personal experience!

lekanout wrote:

This is a great thread for live players.
As a real live player,i thought a lot about how to organize this keyboards.
But after did it,this is a fabulous synth,the best i've had in my life.(if you don't need much real time controllers)

Here's my point of view about that(with some similitudes wrote here before)
1-At first edit all the single tones you need,save it and put it as new live sets!
2-affect all your most used favorite sounds in the dedicated buttons on the panel(there's limitations by family and/or by part,but there are some of your best synth tones you saved n live sets to place here!)(or in solo mode single live tones for exemple)
And because of the alternate buttons,you can put a lot!

I'ts a good beginning.
With that,you have in live sets your best sounds,and the panel button selections with some of your favorite.

3-the best way to switch quickly between sounds in live is the registration mode:
Whatever you want to select(a single tone saved in a live set,or a edited multilayer live set)put it in a registration memory!
So click on" single",save your sound in a registration memory

With all that,you have 256 registrations memory possible.
But with all the 4 banks of 8 memory in direct acces(with the switch buttons under the keyboard:32 quick selections 8 times)

So after all that,your keyboard is well organised by 32 quick acces sounds X 8.

But you have more(some tips):
In 1 saved registration,you can:
-switch between so many sounds easily,with all the dedicated selections buttons (with the alternate)
-Put 2 of the sounds you want in 2 different live sets(1 upper,1 lower),and save it in the same registration.
Once did,you can select/deselect easily in live the affected live sets.

Etc etc.
So don't think"synth tone selection";put all you need in registrations memory,and you have 256 global memories with multiple possibilities in each.
Registrations are like a bag where you put your sounds organised,that's the best way to do!

That's my personal experience!

Great tips lekanout! :-)

Thanks pauloF.

In fact,so many people don't understand the way to organize the jupiter 80.

They want to switch between synth tones quickly like in a japanese workstation(a list of synth tones well organized):
-this is not made for!
Synth tones memories are not made for quick acces in live,it's just a place to save sounds.
The same with live sets.
Live sets memories are not made for live quick access,just a place for saving live sets memories.

in the jupiter,there are 2 way for quick access in live:
1-the sound category buttons on the panel(X2 with the alternate button)with direct access to the sounds you put in these memories.
2-the registration memories.

But imagine what you can do only in a single organized registration:
1-you have the 4 part(perc,upper,lower and solo)and you can switch between that.
If the registration is prepared before,you already have so many combinaison:switch layers,switch on or off any of these 4 parts(and don't forget than 2 of these parts(upper,lower)are live sets with 1 to 4 supernatural synth tones and/supernatural acoustic tones),put a split,an arpeggio..etc in 1 click.

2-you have all the 27 quick access sounds you've put on the panel,in 1 switch(2 switch if you need to push the "alternate button"..so 54 selection in 2 clicks)..and in 1more click you can push the split button,put an arpeggio..etc

All that in a single registration!(from 256 of these)
Imagine in live situation:
-1click:
I select a registration memory with a live seton upper made of 4 synth tones.
-1more click(a tip):
i push the upper and lower part button together:this push off my first live set selected on upper,and push on another live set selected in lower.
(already 2 possibilities...but it's not finished!)
-1 click:
i select any of the 27 sounds memories directly on the panel(and 1 more click with the alternate button 27 other,so 54 quick selection in the single registration)
-hop,1 more click(on the same registration button)and you're back in the first selection you put in this registration.
-1 click(pushing the upper live set part button and the solo part button together and you push off the upper part and push on the solo part....hop you're with a synth tone selected in these part!
-You want more layer?
Don't switch off the selected part,just push any of the other 3 parts to open some layers....

This is my way to use the registration possibilities to switch between sounds in live,but everybody can find ideas...these are just my own exemple,not the end of the story.

To conclude with all these registration memory(256 selections possible):
So many people don't understand the jupiter 80 because of these unique multiple combinaisons and non-traditional way to think.
They are proving the roland with different basic ideas in their head to swich between different sounds.
They are delused sometimes because the jupiter is different.

The solution is simple:
You have to integrate the jupiter structure(at first the difference between synth tones,live sets,and registrations)and how to find combinaisons with the 27 quick acces buttons and the registrations together.
Once that understood,you can organize your keyboard and discover how it's powerful!

Remember:
Don't think like the keyboards you used before...
Think like the jupiter 80 philosophy...
And after you're free to play!

and last thing:
1 jupiter 80 advantage:
All the profiled and big button you can push on the panel are very precise,as big to confortly use it.
It's really a pleasure...

lekanout wrote:

Thanks pauloF.

In fact,so many people don't understand the way to organize the jupiter 80.

They want to switch between synth tones quickly like in a japanese workstation(a list of synth tones well organized):
-this is not made for!
Synth tones memories are not made for quick acces in live,it's just a place to save sounds.
The same with live sets.
Live sets memories are not made for live quick access,just a place for saving live sets memories.

in the jupiter,there are 2 way for quick access in live:
1-the sound category buttons on the panel(X2 with the alternate button)with direct access to the sounds you put in these memories.
2-the registration memories.

But imagine what you can do only in a single organized registration:
1-you have the 4 part(perc,upper,lower and solo)and you can switch between that.
If the registration is prepared before,you already have so many combinaison:switch layers,switch on or off any of these 4 parts(and don't forget than 2 of these parts(upper,lower)are live sets with 1 to 4 supernatural synth tones and/supernatural acoustic tones),put a split,an arpeggio..etc in 1 click.

2-you have all the 27 quick access sounds you've put on the panel,in 1 switch(2 switch if you need to push the "alternate button"..so 54 selection in 2 clicks)..and in 1more click you can push the split button,put an arpeggio..etc

All that in a single registration!(from 256 of these)
Imagine in live situation:
-1click:
I select a registration memory with a live seton upper made of 4 synth tones.
-1more click(a tip):
i push the upper and lower part button together:this push off my first live set selected on upper,and push on another live set selected in lower.
(already 2 possibilities...but it's not finished!)
-1 click:
i select any of the 27 sounds memories directly on the panel(and 1 more click with the alternate button 27 other,so 54 quick selection in the single registration)
-hop,1 more click(on the same registration button)and you're back in the first selection you put in this registration.
-1 click(pushing the upper live set part button and the solo part button together and you push off the upper part and push on the solo part....hop you're with a synth tone selected in these part!
-You want more layer?
Don't switch off the selected part,just push any of the other 3 parts to open some layers....

This is my way to use the registration possibilities to switch between sounds in live,but everybody can find ideas...these are just my own exemple,not the end of the story.

To conclude with all these registration memory(256 selections possible):
So many people don't understand the jupiter 80 because of these unique multiple combinaisons and non-traditional way to think.
They are proving the roland with different basic ideas in their head to swich between different sounds.
They are delused sometimes because the jupiter is different.

The solution is simple:
You have to integrate the jupiter structure(at first the difference between synth tones,live sets,and registrations)and how to find combinaisons with the 27 quick acces buttons and the registrations together.
Once that understood,you can organize your keyboard and discover how it's powerful!

Remember:
Don't think like the keyboards you used before...
Think like the jupiter 80 philosophy...
And after you're free to play!

and last thing:
1 jupiter 80 advantage:
All the profiled and big button you can push on the panel are very precise,as big to confortly use it.
It's really a pleasure...

Awesome! I think the issue is like you said that most of us are very "attached" to the old school synth way of thinking, and JP-80 is just different. It's a mind set thing.
Good stuff

Crikey, thanks guys! I have three days off this weekend and looks like I'll need it! Got a gig sat night so may have to stick to basics for that, but the weekend after hopefully I'll be in better organised shape. P.s I've been buying Roland since my first synth, the SH-101 in the Early 80's, mainly as all the big acts on TV (Human Leauge etc) had big synths with 'Roland' on the front in big letters! That's another reason why I love the new Jupe! It's so retro and cool-looking! Can't wait for the legacy collection so I can use those sounds live too!
SH-101
TB-303
TR-606
Juno 60
Jupiter 6
Super JX 10
Super Quartet MKS-7
U-110
D-110
D-50R
XP-80
Fantom X7
Jupiter 80
.......?!

you're welcome.

If you don't have time to study your jupiter before your first gig,make it simple:
Just put all your best sound set(whatever live set,or synthtones saved in a live set) in registrations,and organise it on the set list you want..
I think that's the best way to start at first.

Just a few words:
I'm happy about this thread,because we're speaking about "in use"things!
Your question was simple,but a real keyboard player question.

I'm really delused(not specialy here,it's everywhere on forums)about all the bad thigs said about the jupiter 80 by people who never understood the way to use it.
They are writing pages to bash this synth with their own vision.
That's ridiculous!

Roland made this synth as a performance synth whitout so much real time controllers,a good va and natural sounds,and a good reliability.
All that in a box with a BIG FAT SOUND.(and yes it sounds good!!!!)

People have to take it simply like that.

i think there is a vision in forums who make people feeling good keyboard players because they can write pages about a synth with 8000 parameters serious keyboard player absolutly don't care.

If you have serious gigs,you don't have time to speak about 345000 parameters just for your intellect satisfaction.
You don't have time to think about what you can't do,but just to think about what you can do,and the solutions to do that.
And you don't have time to buy keyboards you don't understood,because you have more to do(practising,organising the keyboard...etc)

I the last years,i made so much gigs with nord keyboards,fantom,korg M3 and kronos..and the jupiter 80.
All these are good synth with good sounds.(there's no real bad keyboard today)
When i made gigs with it,i organised my keyboard with the keyboards itself!
Not with my own closed view!
Just because i don't have time to loose.
The most important things for me:
-reliability(the basic...if it's not reliable game over!)
-the sounds(for sure but the most parameters synth are not always the best sounding on stage,it's different than studio!)
-the quick acces sound selection.

With all these keyboards,i found 3 friends
-the motif XF,and the jupiter 80 and nord stage 2!
The last 2 are the best friend you can have on the market today if you are gigging normaly,and if you share the same philosophy than me.

So,as live music lovers:
-take the jupiter 80
-accpet and integrate the roland philosophy with it!
-and play..play....play
Because if you don't find some sounds as good for you,the more you practise these sounds, the best you can play with it!


If you are a serious keyboard player who often play in different places,with different people and project...you have to play with other keyboards than yours(in studio for exemple,or if you share the scene)
And you don't have time to think about the strong and weak points of the keyboard you are playing,just the best way to play them as good as possible for the music!

Forums are not the real musician life,forums are only forums!

Now,to come back for the first question:
If people here found some good ideas to organise the jupiter 80 for serious live music,i will be happy to discover these ideas(like i share mine)!

lekanout wrote:

you're welcome.

If you don't have time to study your jupiter before your first gig,make it simple:
Just put all your best sound set(whatever live set,or synthtones saved in a live set) in registrations,and organise it on the set list you want..
I think that's the best way to start at first.

Just a few words:
I'm happy about this thread,because we're speaking about "in use"things!
Your question was simple,but a real keyboard player question.

I'm really delused(not specialy here,it's everywhere on forums)about all the bad thigs said about the jupiter 80 by people who never understood the way to use it.
They are writing pages to bash this synth with their own vision.
That's ridiculous!

Roland made this synth as a performance synth whitout so much real time controllers,a good va and natural sounds,and a good reliability.
All that in a box with a BIG FAT SOUND.(and yes it sounds good!!!!)

People have to take it simply like that.

i think there is a vision in forums who make people feeling good keyboard players because they can write pages about a synth with 8000 parameters serious keyboard player absolutly don't care.

If you have serious gigs,you don't have time to speak about 345000 parameters just for your intellect satisfaction.
You don't have time to think about what you can't do,but just to think about what you can do,and the solutions to do that.
And you don't have time to buy keyboards you don't understood,because you have more to do(practising,organising the keyboard...etc)

I the last years,i made so much gigs with nord keyboards,fantom,korg M3 and kronos..and the jupiter 80.
All these are good synth with good sounds.(there's no real bad keyboard today)
When i made gigs with it,i organised my keyboard with the keyboards itself!
Not with my own closed view!
Just because i don't have time to loose.
The most important things for me:
-reliability(the basic...if it's not reliable game over!)
-the sounds(for sure but the most parameters synth are not always the best sounding on stage,it's different than studio!)
-the quick acces sound selection.

With all these keyboards,i found 3 friends
-the motif XF,and the jupiter 80 and nord stage 2!
The last 2 are the best friend you can have on the market today if you are gigging normaly,and if you share the same philosophy than me.

So,as live music lovers:
-take the jupiter 80
-accpet and integrate the roland philosophy with it!
-and play..play....play
Because if you don't find some sounds as good for you,the more you practise these sounds, the best you can play with it!


If you are a serious keyboard player who often play in different places,with different people and project...you have to play with other keyboards than yours(in studio for exemple,or if you share the scene)
And you don't have time to think about the strong and weak points of the keyboard you are playing,just the best way to play them as good as possible for the music!

Forums are not the real musician life,forums are only forums!

Now,to come back for the first question:
If people here found some good ideas to organise the jupiter 80 for serious live music,i will be happy to discover these ideas(like i share mine)!

Another great post lekanout !!
Completely agree with your view

So...thanks again paulof

Hey there! Didn't get chance to sort anything before the gig, too busy preparing audio backing tracks! About to have a play though! Still confused as to the difference between a live set and a registration? Aren't they both a combination of tones making one potentially big fat sound? I guess I can set it up to have three tones to switch between and turn them up and down via the sliders? A few of those combos should cover most of my needs! For now!