Best practice using samples in liveband

5 Sep 2012, 07:53

Hey guys,

I'm pretty new with using the Fantom-G on live stage. I own a G8 and I want to use some samples during our liveshows with my band, but I don't know what's the best way to do this.
The drummer has to keep in sync with the sample that's playing, so i figured that a metronome would do the trick. Is it possible to only let the drummer hear the metronome, so the audience doesn't hear the ticking?

I figured that I could record a stereo track with the metronome panned to the left side of the track and use only that to get it to our drummer, so the right side (w/o the metronome) is only played to the audience. But I can't figure out how I put the different pans to different audio-outs, or just the metronome to a different audio out.

Also, do they (the samples) have to be audio recorded? Or can I play a phrase from the dynamic pads, which allows me to keep the metronome in sync as well?

Maybe these questions are for a bit of a noobie, and I honestly think I am, but I would really appreciate your help with this. I only used the Fantom for home use with just the basic presets that are available out of the box, and I'm now trying to discover the many great things it has to offer.

Thanks in advance!

p.s. sorry if my english isn't perfect

Re: Best practice using samples in liveband

5 Sep 2012, 08:02

you can make a click track and send it to the B outputs... a small mixer or headphone amp would then give the drummer what he needs.
you can play samples as an audio track in the sequencer or as rps on the pads.. if its shorter samples of just a few measures somewhere in the track probably rps is easier..but if its most of the song..then an audio track and use the sequencer to drive the click to the drummer

Re: Best practice using samples in liveband

5 Sep 2012, 08:10

So basically you're saying that I have to create a song with the audiosamples in it, and get the metronome to work throught the B-outputs?

Re: Best practice using samples in liveband

5 Sep 2012, 10:14

no, i am saying its up to you.. and since i do not know how many samples, how long or how involved in the song structure they are only you can decide the best path forward... i am saying there are two ways to do it :)

using rps will allow you to manually trigger the samples as and when you like.. laying the samples into a track into the sequencer will fix the start time of playback.

You cannot get the metronome to play through the B outputs..hence the click track.. you can create a track..record the metronome if you wish, then assign that audio track to B outputs.

Sjnieboon wrote:
So basically you're saying that I have to create a song with the audiosamples in it, and get the metronome to work throught the B-outputs?

Re: Best practice using samples in liveband

9 Sep 2012, 19:11

Ok, I have done it like this:
I recorded a 2 beat midi track for the metronome (so I didn't have to record an audio track for that) and just copied it over the full length of the song. I quantized it, and routed it throught the B outputs. The other samples are also recorded that way (there are no audio samples at this moment). And that seems to work fine. BUT....

When I switch into Live mode, the song and studio settings are being reset. So when I go to my Live Set , the 'song' that has to play along is at a different tempo, different studio set etc.

How can I get those two things work together properly? I already tried to re-save my Live Set when I adjusted those settings, but that didn't work.

Thanks for your help.

Re: Best practice using samples in liveband

14 Sep 2012, 09:58

Anyone who knows how to do this the right way?

Re: Best practice using samples in liveband

15 Sep 2012, 22:44

If you use an audio track for your click, you wont need to rely on a particular part to play back the click. Your audio part settings are not saved with each live/studio set... The tempo thing is something you'll have to manage manually. Each set that you want to use for this song should have the correct tempo saved with it...

Re: Best practice using samples in liveband

15 Sep 2012, 22:48

... for sample playback. I would create a phrase that triggers a sample, then use RPS to trigger the samples with trigger mode set to beat or measure. This way, it's impossible for you to accidentally trigger the samples out of sync with the click while the sequencer is running.