WHY???

jupiter 80:
2 main out(XLR)+2main out(jack)+2 sub out...
So 4 out +2 sub out
Where is the problem?

Measuring the JP-80 in inches and/or technology means the point of it has been missed.

Suggest you buy a different synth. Seriously.

cello wrote:

Measuring the JP-80 in inches and/or technology means the point of it has been missed.

Suggest you buy a different synth. Seriously.

+1.

lekanout wrote:

jupiter 80:
2 main out(XLR)+2main out(jack)+2 sub out...
So 4 out +2 sub out
Where is the problem?

The problem is that I want to run out the finger-bass sound on a separate output and NOT through the main output.

Well...
In the sustem-audio menu,you can assign(in one click)different things independantly to the main outs or sub-outs:
The 4 part(perc,solo,upper or lower)can be assigned only to the main,only to the sub..or the 2.
So,put a bass in the perc part or lower(multiple combinaisons..as)assigned to the sub outs while playing a piano on the upper live set assigned only to the main outs..
Just an exemple.
On the jupiter 80,you can't assign differents things to the 2 stéréo main outs,but you have the sub outs for that!
To resume you have (2 XLR+2 Jack)stéréo main outs together,and 2 independnt stereo sub outs..

And you can pan on the left or right some sounds in the layers to assign them in the left or right outputs of each of these stéréo group..
(this is a well known way to go to assign differents tracks when you need different destinations for live mixing..this is just an exemple!)

So,here again,where is the problem?

You know why?
If you think all this is a problem,i think there is so many keyboards on the market with these problems..
But don't tell us it sucks because you don't really know the jupiter 80 limitations,try to be more objective.

i'm speaking to you like a live keyboard player.
For exemple,i have a nord stage 2 and a jupiter 80 on stage,and the roland is better for outputs..
In the stage 2,you can assign 2 differents stereo outputs for your sounds(1-2 or 3-4)but not assign them together.(Ex:for a floor monitor)
No problem on the roland.

And if it's not efficient for you....the J80 is not for you man!!

lekanout wrote:

Well...
In the sustem-audio menu,you can assign(in one click)different things independantly to the main outs or sub-outs:
The 4 part(perc,solo,upper or lower)can be assigned only to the main,only to the sub..or the 2.
So,put a bass in the perc part or lower(multiple combinaisons..as)assigned to the sub outs while playing a piano on the upper live set assigned only to the main outs..
Just an exemple.
On the jupiter 80,you can't assign differents things to the 2 stéréo main outs,but you have the sub outs for that!
To resume you have (2 XLR+2 Jack)stéréo main outs together,and 2 independnt stereo sub outs..

And you can pan on the left or right some sounds in the layers to assign them in the left or right outputs of each of these stéréo group..
(this is a well known way to go to assign differents tracks when you need different destinations for live mixing..this is just an exemple!)

So,here again,where is the problem?

You know why?
If you think all this is a problem,i think there is so many keyboards on the market with these problems..
But don't tell us it sucks because you don't really know the jupiter 80 limitations,try to be more objective.

i'm speaking to you like a live keyboard player.
For exemple,i have a nord stage 2 and a jupiter 80 on stage,and the roland is better for outputs..
In the stage 2,you can assign 2 differents stereo outputs for your sounds(1-2 or 3-4)but not assign them together.(Ex:for a floor monitor)
No problem on the roland.

And if it's not efficient for you....the J80 is not for you man!!

Ok! now I understand this with outputs great! If I should be a little more objective .... How does Jupiter-80 compared to Fantom-X? Because I am going to replace keyboards. I have played live with Fantom-X for 8 years and over shorter periods spent Fantom-G, but has always gone back to the Fantom-X because I do not think the Fantom-G has held up! When I sold my Fantom-G7, I was quite prepared to buy a Korg M3 and had the Korg Kronos in mind but are looking more and more to keep me here at Roland when I think that their keyboards are easily edited and works best for live shows.

Best regards

depends what you need exactky when you're playing live:

Tell us what's your priority,and maybe we can help you to make a choice..

lekanout wrote:

depends what you need exactky when you're playing live:

Tell us what's your priority,and maybe we can help you to make a choice..

I play piano, b3 organ, brass and wood winds, different pad and string sounds, etc., with my right hand and finger bass with my left hand.
I understand that organ and piano is very good in the Jupiter-80 but what about the brass and wood winds? I hope and believe that Jupiter-80 is better than the Fantom-G, which for me was a disappointment purely aurally.

Best regards

jogla73 wrote:

Ok! now I understand this with outputs great! Best regards

this is the guy [answers politely, thanks for having received a clarfication, is finally happy with his intrument, after some difficulty with the learning curve],

who had IMMEDIATELY been answered with a snappy "you need to buy a different synth" and "this synth is not for you" retort! Not to mention: "if you look at technical details, you don't get the point" (! really? It's a machine. Musical, but it's a machine. I don't look at a musician's weight in stones, but I look at a keyboard weight in stones for sure!)

Sheeseh, what a welcome... And what a smart sales strategy!

Come on: cut some slack to honest and interested "non-believers", will you?

Seriously, guys: you have an attitude problem towards "newcomers", "noobs" and "innocent bystanders".

I read this website because I want to keep an eye on the "jp80" idea evolution, but sneers and retorts make for a hard reading. Not to mention kronos/jp80 quarrels: definitely off-putting.

well, whatever.

Cello is one of the most informative and helpful here.
This forum has been attacked by some as of late , so I think some people guards are up more than usual .
Overall very friendly here .
Welcome !

Yes,cello is one of the best here!

OZY wrote:

who had IMMEDIATELY been answered with a snappy "you need to buy a different synth" and "this synth is not for you" retort!

The problem is the beginning of the thread:
With words like"it sucks"...in a subject "why!".....maybe it's not the best way to ask something..:-)

It's not so important now,let's try to help him:
Jogla 73 wrote:

I play piano, b3 organ, brass and wood winds, different pad and string sounds, etc., with my right hand and finger bass with my left hand.
I understand that organ and piano is very good in the Jupiter-80 but what about the brass and wood winds? I hope and believe that Jupiter-80 is better than the Fantom-G, which for me was a disappointment purely aurally.

My point of view:
I had a fantom X(with 4 srx),not the fantom G.(but i prove it so many times..)
All you need for these sounds are good in the jupiter 80:
-Piano,really good!(better than fantom G)
-Eps:really good(the kronos has a little advantage..).I think the same level than the ARX EP(but less control than the arx),and better than the fantom G factory set.
-brass and woodwinds:some are really good(better than fantom G i think),and some(sax?)are not a revolution..
But,with layers and expressivity,i think you've got a bigger and fatter brass ensemble in the jupiter.
It's a good level but you have to try it!
-pads and strings:
Far better then the G...strings ensemble are fabulous!pads(with VA partial layers..) are maybe on the top on the market today!
All the lead,synth brass and diverse sounds we need for playing live in a band are so good!
-organ:
some people find it bad,i don't think so!
At first,i was a little disapointed by the jupiter 80 organs..
So i put my fingers in the engine,tweak a little and start to find my good sound!
The J80 is the following of roland VK series....these organs made so many people happy to play live with it during so many years!
I think the jupiter organs are good,better than fantom G organs(rompler against modelisation..),but not better than dedicated organ modelisation(kronos modelisation,NORD stage...hammond SK and XK series..)
Bass sounds:
Absolutly big,fat and fantastic bass sound on the jupiter..better than in a fantom G(who have good bass sounds..)

other things:
Keybed:
The jupiter 80 keybed is fantastic for a semi-weighted..and much better than the fantom G 61 and 76(we can't compare to the 88 wich is different.
Reliability:
The G is at a good level,the jupiter is better.
Outputs:
i've told you my point of view..you have all you need as a keyboard player,and if you mant more assignable outputs you need a dedicated workstation if you find better.
Preset recall for live:
registration mode is more efficient i think if you master all the architecture of the jupiter...while the G is very good too in his live mode!

To resume:
I think the jupiter is globally better for your needs than the fantom G(sounds,program recall in live situation..)
Yes you have a big big sound in the j80 more than the G...
Yes you can put a great fat,warm and big bass on the left hand and all you want and assign on the right!

BUT:
It's my perception...you have at last to prove and see what's you're feeling!
Personal taste is your judgement!