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Bugs fixed?

Bugs fixed?

28 Sep 2010, 18:49
I searched a little bit around and found those wiki-entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Fantom-G#Fantom-G_F...

It seems the first one has been fixed, because i wasn't able to reproduce this behaviour, means i was able to record RPS in song-mode :)
The second has never occured since i have my FG8. Does any one has experienced these problems ore know more about them, when it has been fixed?

Then we could mark them in wikipedia as fixed :-D

BR Tobias
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Re: Bugs fixed?

28 Sep 2010, 19:58
the first one is in relation to rps patterns.
set up 2 different patterns

set mute group to 1 so each pattern will mute the other

now play rps patterns via pads pressing each in turn

listen very carefully how it sounds when you do this
as you switch between patterns the other mutes, all notes stop as the next pattern plays,
do this a few time during a recording then play back what you recorded, the result is not the same as the live performance.

pattern mute which effect the note length was not recorded during performance and notes from the previous pattern are still playing during replay and not muted as they where during the live performance.
as a demonstration i will make a short vid tomorrow and upload it to youtube.



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Re: Bugs fixed?

28 Sep 2010, 21:00
one man's bug is another man's feature.
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Re: Bugs fixed?

29 Sep 2010, 06:16
For bug problems, try using some insecticide;)

Re: Bugs fixed?

29 Sep 2010, 09:22
here is thebug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JXMQN-PWlg&feature=youtube_gdata



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Re: Bugs fixed?

29 Sep 2010, 10:25
Thanks for that, Quinnx!

That does appear to be an issue. I was able to work around the problem by assigning an 'All Notes Off' control change to a seperate RPS pad and recording the stop that way. In doing this, the guitar no longer sustains when it shouldn't. I'm not sure that there is any other work-around available other than re-sampling the RPS phrase and triggering the sample. The re-sample method works perfectly.

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Re: Bugs fixed?

29 Sep 2010, 12:28
Yeah its been there since the x never addressed..
I can tell you the technical reasons this happens..

its because when you use rps it transmits the DATA from the pattern directly in to the song instead of the sequencer listening to whats been played by the performer..

With the X you could connect to say..;.. cubase and play the same sequence using rps pads and cubase would playback correctly what was performed...

On the G you cannot achieve this because as far as i can see the G will not send rps patterns through midi out.



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Re: Bugs fixed?

30 Sep 2010, 16:44
Ok you are right, anyhow this is a *workaround* (no bugfix) without sampling:

Record RPS measures to song, export this to SMF and import this .mid to DAW works pretty good :)

BR Tobias
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Re: Bugs fixed?

30 Sep 2010, 20:43
Where's the bug? This is a sustain feature. Guitar players would pay a lot of money for the sustain.

looks/sounds like there is a missing note off command in the midi sequence, did you look through the microscope? examine the play list to understand what is happening?

Work arounds: 1. hire a guitar player, 2. Don't use RPS, 3. Edit midi file for missing command. 4. Record as audio to another system. 5. Give up, 6. sell your FG (& FX). Just doing too much stuff midi with one keyboard.

Why doesn't the drum pattern continue to play after the first hit?

Does this still happen when using the keyboard to trigger the RPS?

Sorry to sound so dumb, but I don't use the RPS function. (and maybe this why)


This is an interesting issue. Maybe it is like the Arps on the XS, when in performance mode and you turn off the arp the keyboard plays drums sound on top of the keyboard sound. (Yamaha claims to have solved this with the XF). Another case of doing too much midi, without enough actual control.
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Re: Bugs fixed?

6 Oct 2010, 10:58
Anyone ever run into this issue?:

I have meaures 1-9 blank - measures 9-17 with phrases on track 1-4, 6-10.
I load a sample into part 5 and record on track 5. I start the recording on measure 9 and want it to loop 9-17 while i record. What happens is, when I reach bar 17, the loop carrys back around to measure 1 and freezes in record mode. I can play the sample on the keys but can not go into any other menu or do anything other than play that sample or just turn it off. Just a normal bug or something to be concerned with?
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