Possible to switch XR between Perf & Patch with Midi?

31 Aug 2007, 13:40

Hi, i'm controlling a Fantom XR with a Kawai MP9500 and i'm wanting to switch between patches and performances with midi. My Kawai sends a Program change and MSB + LSB. Using these I can change between different patches or different performances but what I wanted to do was to switch say from using a patch to then using a performance without having to manually press the mode button.

Anyone know if this is possible with just Program change, MSB + LSB? I have a feeling it isn't but I thought I'd throw it out there just in case.

Thanks in advance,

Peter.

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midi switch between patch & perform

14 Sep 2007, 08:40

I have a Roland Juno-G that I want to control from a Kawai MP-4. Same problem. I have to manually change from patch to perform, and then the msb-lsb numbers work. I would have thought that by putting in the msb number it would switch between patch and performance, and the lsb number would select the source bank. Maybe a possibility in a software update?

Kawai is a great keyboard to play, but heavy to carry, and the Juno-G is great fun.

Re: Possible to switch XR between Perf & Patch with Midi?

17 Sep 2007, 05:58

Hi kayvon,

I don't have a Fantom (yet

but I believe these will do what you want:

Perform Mode: F0 41 10 00 6B 12 01 00 00 00 01 7E F7
Patch Mode: F0 41 10 00 6B 12 01 00 00 00 00 7F F7

And some others if you're interested:
GM Mode: F0 7E 7F 09 01 F7
GM2 Mode: F0 7E 7F 09 03 F7
GM Off: F0 7E 7F 09 02 F7

Graeme

Re: Possible to switch XR between Perf & Patch with Midi?

22 Sep 2007, 07:29

Same problem here but with a midi foot controller behringer FCB1010. I can't swithc from one patch to one performance directly by pressing only one pedal. First I must switch manually to performance.

So I wonder if it's possible to use Graeme's information in my case to make it work and how ? Or another workaround ... thanks.

Re: Possible to switch XR between Perf & Patch with Midi?

22 Sep 2007, 12:07

from my reading of the MIDI spec, only a system exclusive (SysEx) message can switch modes. I don't think the FCB1010 can send customised SysEx messages, but I've read somewhere of a non-Behringe mod that might allow this.

Re: Possible to switch XR between Perf & Patch with Midi?

28 Jun 2010, 21:26

Same problem here. I'm using an oxygen 61, is it possible to change mode from my controller or is there any midi controller that can do this?

Re: Possible to switch XR between Perf & Patch with Midi?

29 Jun 2010, 01:50

You could do that with a Roland FC-300 which can send custom SysEx sequences. I just sold mine last week as I've been using my own Fantom X Live Commander software ( http://www.livecommander.com ) to switch sounds for a while now and didn't have any use for the FC-300 any longer.

But why don't you just re-create those Patch mode performances in Performance mode and stay there? That's what I do now,although I'll admit that I do let my software switch the XV-5080 in my rack between performance and patch mode but that's because I'm lazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXz0UkVBZPQ
TOYZ in 60 seconds (short live video of my progrock band on YouTube)

Re: Possible to switch XR between Perf & Patch with Midi?

29 Jun 2010, 01:56

Maybe this is of interest:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200306/msg0029...
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/
https://secure.mtnsys.com/faq-fcb/PCEditorBeta.htm

I haven't seen anything about sending sysex sequences from the FCB yet but it might be there. The only use of sequences I've seen in the links above is to program the FCB from a PC. There is some talk of 'eprom upgrades' on the Yahoo group frontpage so how knows. I'm sure someone from the Yahoo group can answer your question.'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXz0UkVBZPQ
TOYZ in 60 seconds (short live video of my progrock band on YouTube)

Re: Possible to switch XR between Perf & Patch with Midi?

6 Jul 2010, 10:11

If you are still interrested, I did it with my custom controller I built. I can tell you how to do it. Just need to go look at my code to remember what I had done to switch it from Perf to Patch

Re: Possible to switch XR between Perf & Patch with Midi?

6 Jul 2010, 11:46

What some people do is use a Behringer FCB1010 to trigger a note value that will not sound (this has to be programmed into the Patch, I believe). That note is used to trigger an RPS phrase which contains the SysEx required to switch between Patch and Performance mode (or GM) followed by the required bank and programme change numbers.

I think I've got that right! Perhaps someone who does this can confirm!

Otherwise, just do everything in Performance mode. It does make life simpler.

Hope this helps
Andy

Andy

Re: Possible to switch XR between Perf & Patch with Midi?

7 Jul 2010, 08:15

Like Andy said, just use Performance mode,

It's much more powerful and will give you options that you can't have in Patch mode

Make Music and be Happy !!
PauloF