Fantom G - We are responsible for it's future.

Your not but dont take things personally .Thats his opinion .I know i have learned alot on this forum i never owned a Roland worstation until the G.So friend dont get angry what they say .Once you know better to hell what everyone says .

You know why i like this forum to me people really say how they feel.I have been on the other forums cause i do own a Motif XS and a Korg M3 .Everyone on those forums are happy happy joy joy .But when u express a feeling about the those other workstation your like a terrorist.I remember expressing my opinion about one of the workstation synth samples where not up to par with my other workstation .Well i thought i was in the Passion of the Christ. lol

You still don't get it folks. It's not what you have to say, but how you say it. And clearly from the responses I have seen to my message some of you will never get it. You have confirmed what I said in my message and it is one of the times I was hoping I was wrong.

-- rob --

I have said my opinion politely .Some people just cant handle other peoples opinion.

Damm, I have a feeling my question was impolite... mm.

LLORT is Troll spelled backwards.

I have a question. If Roland would have told us "up front" that you could not edit in odd time signatures, merge, or extract midi info, or that they would only be realeasing "3" ARX cards of Brass, E. Piano, and Drums. And that there would be thumb drive issues, and you would not have the ability to swap or move songs between projects, would you have shelled out that $3,000.00? Roland made some pretty grand statements about ARX cards, and Their Flagship Workstation containg "The Best of the SRX", but after the sale... 3 cards? And absolute silence and secrecy about any updates, or new ones.

I really love my G, and I am very productive professionally with it despite the "work arounds". So it is really not the G I find disapointing as much as I find Rolands "perceived indiference" to what it's loyal customers are begging for... INFO and SUPPORT!
I have an XS. Love the sounds, hate the screen, and prefer the G's sequencer, but even Yamaha sends FREE samples of their sounds. If Roland would communicate more. Even by assuring me that there was "More To Come" in the ARX dept. Or at least admit not being able to edit a simple waltz is a problem they are working on, I will still feel a bit disapointed in Roland as a company.
Thank God for Dan, Artemiy, and others who have been stepping out for Roland and keeping this Forum together with their advice and workarounds. If it weren't for them, I would have given up on Roland long ago.

I have no problem with the fact that I spent $2300 on the Fantom G. I got the workstation that I was looking for. I'm happy with my purchase and it should keep me busy for years to come.

Again as I may have said in a previous post, if I was to base my purchasing decision on these forums, I would have never bought a Fantom G. The negative posts and reactions on this forum would scare many people from buying a Fantom G. I based my decision on playing all three workstations over a few months in the store and I came away with the G. I don't feel like I got robbed by Roland. I'm sure the Korg M3 and the Yamaha XS have their shortcomings too, if that's what you want to call it. And if people believe that Korg and Yamaha are better, then by all means sell the G and get those workstations.

There wouldn't be a thread like this is Roland would take care of their customers. End of story.

Roland is solely responsible of its own future.

WOW !!! heheheh this has taken a very similar feel to the thread I commented on and then it got locked about the confession to Roland.This will probably get locked as well....

and just to make a point to certain people on this forum ...AS A FANTOM G OWNER......I find both sides of peoples argument valid but Roland are responsible for its future when it comes to supporting its workstations but the consumer is responsible for keeping Roland interested and that I'm afraid is done by sales.

This forum helps those to discuss problems,vent a few frustrations but its not the deciding factor for whether a company will or will not continue support for a product.I would like to think the G has sold enough units for it to be supported a bit longer......we shall wait and see though.

I have to say going back years ago there was never an issue about updates.You bought your product and just got on with making music.I suppose its the price we pay for more complex machines.

Its pointless locking threads apart from frustrating people who are participating it just means the discussion will move into another thread or it will start in a new thread and will never be contained.
If someone has a grievance and it is posted it is contained to lock the thread only frustrates the situation and then give them more grievance yet again..
Let it ride or history repeats itself.
Is it a bug? is it not a bug? lets find out..
lets discuss it..
report it
see what the results are.

Are there bugs!?
Yes
Should they be fixed
yes
should people discuss them
yes
should people be annoyed if its not fixed if its reported 6 months prior
yes
3 years later
yes
should roland be praised for this kind of support?
NO!

They have had the X and feedback from its use over the years to know whats right and whats not.
Bugs from the X have migrated to the G.
example:
Using rps pattern triggering on both the x and g to record a performance with the sequencer.
if you where to compare an audio recording done at the same time of the same performance you will find that the roland sequencer DOES NOT record or playback exactly what you played or heared. this is noticeable when you start stop patterns.
notes that where truncated by starting/stopping patterns during the performance are not truncated during playback of the performance because the sequencer does not listen the the performance it instead copies the data directly from the pattern being played ignoring the performer.
Should this be fixed?
Should we be happy about the current state of the sequencer with rps?

I am forced to use samples because rps recording does not work as on the X and now on the G and this has been reported to roland japan and they are and have been aware of this for some time now.

firstlovedan:

I really love my G, and I am very productive professionally with it despite the "work arounds". So it is really not the G I find disapointing as much as I find Rolands "perceived indiference" to what it's loyal customers are begging for... INFO and SUPPORT![/u]

jessej:

There wouldn't be a thread like this is Roland would take care of their customers. End of story.

Roland is solely responsible of its own future.

AMEN!!!

The most insightful comment was the one stating who would have actually bought the Fantom G if he/she would have known that after [insert here a random large amount of time], its features would be roughly the same ?

Well, I wouldn't have bought it if I'd have known that after so much time, I still wouldn't be able to draw/modify/erase notes in the microscope editor of the sequencer using the mouse. I wouldn't have bought it if I would have known that the VST Editor would still not be able to store and restore all the parameters of a Studio Set, or still not be able to edit multisamples. I wouldn't have bought it if I would have known that there still wouldn't be any thrilling ARX board with for example VA or serious piano stuff (please, do not spam with youtube videos recorded with a $2 minijack gamer mic about piano stuff, I have lost enough days and pain to make my own usable ac piano stuff, not a 600MB stuff to be carried painfully from projects to projects.) After so much time, the FG is now nothing more to me than a big GM expander with a nice key bed, a standard ROMpler synthesizer engine, and nice screensavers.

I was a real Roland enthusiast, but no more. I don't know what happened to the company which released the D50, the JP8000 and the V-Synths. Where is the innovative and combative spirit of this company gone ? The FG is no more developed, so its seems at last - and what does seem is only what matters since Roland do not communicate. V-Synth is obviously discontinued too. CP1 blows away V-Piano.

Are they stuck for eternity with releasing stupid sinewave-additive-synthesis-combined-with-a-ROMpler-in-a-single-box kind of gear, with a very lovely assortment of colored piano benches ?

Is Roland taking the EMU way and embrace the same fate ?

vox,

"Where is the innovative and combative spirit of this company gone ?" I've never experienced a more innovative workstation than the G (never had the X) and the ARX-technology is amazing.

"V-Synth is obviously discontinued too." Well, if I'm not mistaken, the V-Synth was released some seven years ago, so the fact that it isn't updated anymore is hardly a surprise or unusual. Before the Roland FA-76 I had a Yamaha EX5 and I can't remember that it was updated at all.

"CP1 blows away V-Piano." I've never tried any of them, but after having heard demos of them, I think the V sounds better. "blows away" is pretty strong and it's also a matter of opinion.

"Are they stuck for eternity with releasing stupid sinewave-additive-synthesis-combined-with-a-ROMpler-in-a-single-box kind of gear..." I normally don't write nasty things about people here, but when you write things like that you almost force me to say that the stupidity comes from your end. I have no sales figures to prove my point, but I'm pretty sure there are tens of thousands out there who happen to like the gear you call stupid. You obviously don't feel too good and have to release some of your anger here. Too bad...

ot sort of : firstlovedan - can you tell me what the problems are with odd time signatures? Im currently doing a song with mixed time signautres ie phrases of 5/4 and 7/8 running together as polyrhythms and am not finding any problems - do you mean doing edits across the phrases or what?