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Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

20 Jan 2010, 14:27
I may have to 'Google' him once in a while just to see what has become of his 'inovation'!

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Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

20 Jan 2010, 16:27
Art,

Aren't you overreacting a tiny bit? Besides, you were't overwhelmingly friendly yourself in your first response:
Next, do you have ears, my friend? Even 384 kbps MP3 sounds like crap. It kills high frequencies, kills attack in transients and removes certain vital parts of the sound that humans supposedly do not hear on low-quality equipment. At 128 kbps, you must be having a seriously damaged hearing to say that it's even usable for making music. Only an idiot would use MP3 for playback of sampler or instruments.


and later
if you don't hear the difference, you have nothing to do in the music industry.


Those are ill-tempered and condescending responses in my view and I don't think he had written anything to that point to warrant such a response.

L8r,
Arjan
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Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

20 Jan 2010, 16:50
Imagine whirled peas in the republic of Tea, where PC's, mp3's, and one-armed pirates are frowned upon like bees. In this place fearless Artemiy calls home, noone will not be told where they are welcomed to roam. So cry if you like, and whine if you will, a difference it won't make, so take what you will.

and leave a cookie at the door - brothers gotta eat.

Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

20 Jan 2010, 17:16
To be fair, anyone who tries to claim that mp3 at any quality is better than WAV or AIFF, clearly doesn't know their audio arse from their aural elbow.
Andy

Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

21 Jan 2010, 01:27
Art,

Aren't you overreacting a tiny bit? Besides, you were't overwhelmingly friendly yourself in your first response:

“Next, do you have ears, my friend? Even 384 kbps MP3 sounds like crap. It kills high frequencies, kills attack in transients and removes certain vital parts of the sound that humans supposedly do not hear on low-quality equipment. At 128 kbps, you must be having a seriously damaged hearing to say that it's even usable for making music. Only an idiot would use MP3 for playback of sampler or instruments.”

and later

“if you don't hear the difference, you have nothing to do in the music industry. ”

Those are ill-tempered and condescending responses in my view and I don't think he had written anything to that point to warrant such a response.

L8r,
Arjan

I agree with this. If this is a real program, I would at least like to read about it. You could have said your peace without ithe insults. This doesn't mean you have to support what he is doing.
wudsiba
Fantom X6
Audio exp.

Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

21 Jan 2010, 01:37
He was a fake.

He said. My new Os loads in 2 minutes with 400Mgb worth of samples .


400mb is still 400mb whether it is wav, aif or mp3. So how could 400mb of mp3 load faster than 400mb of wav files????? You're still limited by the processing power and other factors of the computer hardware in the X.

and he never even posted a website or beta version for his software.

Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

21 Jan 2010, 01:58
I may have been a bit harsh, I admit, however I stand with my opinion: the one who says there is no difference between linear and 128 kbps MP3 has no ears and has nothing to do in the music industry :-)

Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

21 Jan 2010, 02:56
He was a fake.

He said. My new Os loads in 2 minutes with 400Mgb worth of samples .


The phrase 'with ... worth of' is popular with manufactures as they often use it to suggest a certain amount of, for example, data that is actually less than the number they quote, ie in a case like this it would correspond to the equivalent uncompressed amount. The actual raw data size to load (and de-compress) would therefore be around 40MB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXz0UkVBZPQ
TOYZ in 60 seconds (short live video of my progrock band on YouTube)

Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

21 Jan 2010, 04:02
I may have been a bit harsh, I admit, however I stand with my opinion: the one who says there is no difference between linear and 128 kbps MP3 has no ears and has nothing to do in the music industry :-)


That in itself is no reason to ban the guy. His calling you names might be but you started that yourself imo and afaik others with similar attitudes have received warning first. I think he should receive the same courtesy.

Regarding the sound quality, don't forget that the internal and SRX sounds are indeed compressed and no one knows how. If I'd have to guess I'd say it's probably something similar to RDAC.

Speaking about RDAC, which is a patented compression technology by Roland, a guy over at VS-Planet actually reverse-engineered the algorithm (without consulting the patent application) and built an RDAC->WAV converter program which a lot of V-Studio users now use to export their material from the 2480 to a PC. Roland knows about this and so far have done absolutely nothing to stop it. As in the case of Akai, they seem to be looking the other way (without of course officially admitting such).

Anyway, RDAC is a lossy compression algorithm and depending on the version it sacrifices fidelity, just like MP3. Unlike MP3 it doesn't work in the frequency domain and is not based on psycho-acoustics but it is still lossy.

The point I'm trying to make is that it might very well be possible to decompile the OS to alllow modifications to it. If I were still a student with plenty of time on my hands I might have looked into it myself.

I do have serious doubts about this INOVATIONFANTOMX guy but Art, I think it would show real grace on your part if you would let him back in. Give him the chance to prove that he is either for real or a fraud.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXz0UkVBZPQ
TOYZ in 60 seconds (short live video of my progrock band on YouTube)

Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

21 Jan 2010, 06:51
Arjan, I am sorry but the attitude of this guy clearly told me that it is best to ban him. Talking like he did in his third or fourth post shows that he doesn't really care if what he says or does is legal, polite, appropriate, etc.

Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

21 Jan 2010, 07:03
"Artemy you are just behaving like an old Homo, are you gay?"
Arjan , is this enough?
For this reason (lack of respect), I am giving Ban on the site I am admin (other site) , too.
If someone has something to demontrate a cause, an ideea ,this is not the way.
Do not ever be ashamed of what you are, what you feel, and what you think. The truth hurts, but it is necessary.

Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

21 Jan 2010, 07:49
Arjan , is this enough?


I have read all posts. Read my posts directed to Art (and what Art himself wrote before the post you quote) and you will know my answer.

Art,

You were the one how started the name-calling, not him. You were not being polite or professional yourself in your initial response. It was only after you insulted him twice that he started doing that back and at the first sign of him talking back to you he gets banned.

I do not agree with what he said in that post or how he said it but I definitely do also not agree with the way you responded before that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXz0UkVBZPQ
TOYZ in 60 seconds (short live video of my progrock band on YouTube)

Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

21 Jan 2010, 08:20
Art was absolutely right to ban him. The fact that he didn't care about the possible illegality of what he was doing is enough to see the back of him.
X7 All the way!!!

Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

21 Jan 2010, 09:47
The fact that he didn't care about the possible illegality of what he was doing


You have got to be kidding. He should not be banned even if only to allow us to continue to discuss whether this might be illegal or not. Since when is a discussion illegal? And how can you decide something like this based on a possibility alone which has in fact been disputed with sensible arguments? Only a judge could decide whether this might be legal or illegal and at this point we don't even know exactly what he was planning on doing.

Everybody who has ever downloaded a copyrighted mp3 file please raise your hands, you will be banned from this site for being involved in illegal activities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXz0UkVBZPQ
TOYZ in 60 seconds (short live video of my progrock band on YouTube)

Re: Breakthrough Discovery New OS Fantom X mp3 sampling

21 Jan 2010, 10:00
downloading copyrighted mp3 files is immoral.
i download copyrighted .wav files exclusively!!

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