Patch vs Patch in Layer, and recording question (Please Help

Please read this article:
http://www.rolandclan.info/media/documents/en/fantom/Fa...

Woot, thanks so much, it worked.

Now, does that mean that I can have a maximum of three patches that sound exactly the same as on patch mode?

Because since this depends on MFX, and we only three available...

Thanks, any other tips would be helpful.

NEW Question!

When recording to a track using more than one patch, I get in trouble. Here's the situation.

Say I select two patches in layer mode (1 and 2), they sound good together so I record something with them. I press record and select track 1 as the track to record to. It's all good.

So then I do this with patch 3 & 4, this time I record to track 2. I do this with all patches, and then I run out of patches when I use 15 & 16, but I still have tracks available to record to. I have 8 tracks empty.

The thing is if I go and change patch 1 and 2, and record to track the empty track 9, it will record fine, but whatever I had previously recorded on track 1 will have their sounds changed as well.

Hopefully that makes sense. And this is most likely a basic concept, but I'm new to recording/tracks/etc.

Yes, it is very basic. Think of your Fantom X as having 16 synth modules inside, ie it can only make 16 different sounds at the same time. These are your patches.

Tracks are not 1:1 related to patches and a single track can contain control information (note on/off etc) for all 16 MIDI channels/all 16 synth modules inside your Fantom. But just because you are using only one track to control all of your synth modules doesn't mean that you can suddenly make more than 16 different sounds.

The sequencer tracks really only contain instructions (MIDI events) for the 16 channels/patches, they contain no actual sound. They can only control what you have and with 'just' a Fanton, that is 16 patches/sounds.

Thank you so much. I've scratched my head over and over on this. I read something similar to what you said before, but not as clear. What added to my confusion is the fact that when you see the tracks listed, then you go to "track view" I believe, then it shows you all 16 tracks with the data in there.

But it makes sense now. I guess as far as recording goes, there is very little benefit to using two patches on one track, might as well have them in separate ones. Also, I guess that makes this feature strictly for live performances.

Thank you again, you guys are very helpful.

I read the FAQ and decided to try it myself. I am doing something wrong, or have the wrong expectation. Here is my goal: to have sounds sound the same in patch mode and performance mode. I understand that the difference is the FX. So.

1) I Choose a patch in patch mode
2) I go to performance mode, and select the same patch. In this instance, I assigned it to track 1 (is this the same as part 1?)
3) I Push the effects button
4) I Set the part number to 1.
5) I set MFX to 1.
6) I set MFX SRC 1 to P 1.
7)I set CHO SRC and REV SRC to P 1.

This does not change the sound. My guess is that I was incorrectly thinking that doing this would make it sound the same as patch mode.

My guess is that step 8 is copying t FX from patch mode by manually setting the FX patterns to match hat they are in Patch mode.

That sounds like the exact process, you've read it correctly. You should notice that even the MFX changes when you set to P1(step 6). If you switch patches in sequencer or part mixer, it should also automatically update the effects. The same is true of chorus/reverb and their routing.

Do you notice the change in FX type? Could your MFX switch be turned off?

Fixed.

Hey guys, back to this patch vs layer mode.

I can change the sound and make it sound the same. Now, it seems I can only do this with one sound at a time, is that right?

Say I want to play two patches at the same time, having them sound just like they do in patch mode. I can't do this. I can make them sound as they do individually, but not at the same time. I was thinking that I could have at least three using MFX 1 to patch 1, MFX 2 to patch 2, and MFX 3 to patch 3.

By the way, let's say I don't care about the reverb and chorus (which I'm pretty sure applies to the whole performance).

Is it possible to play 2+ sounds in layer mode having them sound the same as in patch mode?

You've got 3 effects units per Performance. This means that you can make the effects of 3 patches sound the same in a performance. Let's say Patch 1 uses a flanger, patch 2 uses a distortion, and patch 3 uses a leslie. Assign patch 1 to performance part 1. Copy its effects settings to MFX 1. Go into the settings for Part 1, and make sure it is set to output to MFX, and then set it to go through MFX 1. Assign patch 2 to performance part 2. Copy its effects settings to MFX 2. Go into the settings for Part 2, and make sure it is set to output to MFX 2. Assign patch 3 to performance part 3. Copy its effects settings to MFX 3. Go into the settings for Part 3, and make sure it is set to output to MFX 3. The rest of the parts will have to either share one of the MFX, or go directly to A or B output to bypass effects.

Thanks a lot, I will try that.