Filter Envelopes

22 Nov 2009, 05:35

Hi guys, might be a dumb question but amongst the swamp of envelopes in this synth which one is the filter envelope?

Re: Filter Envelopes

22 Nov 2009, 05:38

Each envelope resides in the respective module, that is, when you're in the COSM1 or COSM2 editor screen, and it's set to TVF, then you'll see cutoff and resonance envelopes there.

Re: Filter Envelopes

22 Nov 2009, 05:41

Oh so the adsr of TVF is the filter envelope .... Does the sens have to do with anything it?

Re: Filter Envelopes

22 Nov 2009, 05:44

"Sens" is velocity sensitivity of the envelope modulation depth. To actually apply the envelope onto cutoff, you use the "Cutoff Env Depth" parameter.

BTW, you should check out this book if you want to learn making your own patches:
http://www.sinevibes.com/v-synth-tweakbook/

Re: Filter Envelopes

22 Nov 2009, 05:48

thanks for that Artemiy , ohh yes i bought that book sometime back , im gonna search it out and check it indepth

cheers

Re: Filter Envelopes

22 Nov 2009, 05:52

Oh, cool, you should definitely get back to the book, it has a lot of useful tutorials and ideas.

Re: Filter Envelopes

4 Dec 2009, 07:39

Whilst on the subject of envelops, I ask myself why did Roland not use 6 step envelops? adding Break Point and Slope can allow you to futher shape a sound over time, also attack level and release level add further sonic possibilites. THE GT is a sound designers dream, for such a machine having standard ADSR envelops seam a bit lame to me!

I wonder If Roland could add them in on certain parts of the synth engine IE: AMP, TVF, Pitch and Modulation - it would boost the beast somewhat !!

Any thoughts ?

Re: Filter Envelopes

4 Dec 2009, 08:45

MrMan, yes, this was my first question when I got the V-Synth 5 years ago. However, you get as many as 13 envelopes and if you use some tricks you can create AHDSR-type envelope too (by combining two TVA envelopes, local and global), and if you want to make a snappy attack you use the "impact" parameter on the oscillator, maybe filter it out a bit with LPF.

Re: Filter Envelopes

4 Dec 2009, 09:11

Ah - erm, Local and Global Envelopes - What is that ? the Tone envelope and the patch envelope ?

the impact paramater does give it a nice kick, but we would have far more controll with a 6 step envelope,

However, your techiniques are good ; I will have to play around with the local and global envelopes you described....erm once you explain it to me

Even so I still find the synth incrediable,

DO you think Roland could build in these features with the next release - that is if they are going have a next release?

Re: Filter Envelopes

4 Dec 2009, 09:25

Well, there was OS 2.0 released last year for the GT, but I have no idea if there will be future releases. All depends on whether they want a new model or increase attention for the existing one. But I have no idea in any case

As of the envelopes, in each tone you have two TVA envelopes in the oscillators, and then the global TVA envelope.

Re: Filter Envelopes

4 Dec 2009, 09:50

No I doubt Roland will make another release, they will probably rather release a new product altogether !!

I didn't realize there was a TVA for "Globa" - Interesting!

Thanks for you good work !!

Re: Filter Envelopes

4 Dec 2009, 10:25

You're welcome!