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Fantom X and Cubase : local switch off but still 'double' so

Fantom X and Cubase : local switch off but still 'double' so

11 Nov 2009, 16:07
Hello all,

today I just connected my Fantom X to the PC (not via USB, just midi-midi), so I can use Cubase for sequencing instead of the Fantom-sequencer.

All connections work well, but here is the problem:

I of course did switch off the local switch, but still there are 'double' sounds :-(

Already used the search-function on this forum, but could not find the specific answer that I need. Also read something about switch off midi-thru, but if I'm right that is something only in case of midi via usb.

Or is it something in Cubase ?

What can be the solution ?

Thnx in advance

CJ
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Re: Fantom X and Cubase : local switch off but still 'double

12 Nov 2009, 15:27
Anyone please ?

I did try many of the advices I found here in this forum about this problem, but until now nothing helped :-(

Who has a suggestion (or more) for me ?

Thank you
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Re: Fantom X and Cubase : local switch off but still 'double

12 Nov 2009, 17:53
Strange mate, I've not experienced this.

First question that comes to mind is how are you connecting everything? X -> Interface X -> Cubase? is there more gear in the loop?

With Local Switch and USB-MIDI thru both to off, it seems like it must be in the Cubase direction. I can't think of a preference that would help off hand. Cubase forums aren't nearly as much fun to sift through, but maybe there is an answer there.

Good luck.

Re: Fantom X and Cubase : local switch off but still 'double

13 Nov 2009, 03:43
90% guess, that you have a performance with 2 tracks set on midi channel 1.
like two layers or DUAL function, and you transmit 2 channels at once.
try to see if you have double channels or multiple channels.
(record, and try to move a note, above, a see if there are two, or more notes in the same place, and if they are, if the channels are the same).
The fastest test should be, recording as FantomX = MIDI IN and a VST Instrument as midi out, and see if fantom is sending double channels or not.
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Re: Fantom X and Cubase : local switch off but still 'double

13 Nov 2009, 04:28
On the X, check the track switches in performance mode (the red tick on the left of each track. You will probably find one or more tracks are selected.

When recording with Cubase with Local set to off. You need to make sure none of the tracks on the X are selected (have a red tick).

Hope this helps.
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Re: Fantom X and Cubase : local switch off but still 'double

13 Nov 2009, 05:02
Thanks so far for your answers.

I will try later today. Right now I am not near my gear.

Oh. and about double tracks: I have double notes (not different notes, but same notes, like a phase/chorus-effect) sounding everytime I press a key.

I also did check the tracks and for example I also have the problem on (drum-)track 10, i.e. also midi-channel 10 (and the only one on 10).

Thanks so far.

I'll let you know how I will (or not) advance.

CJ
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Re: Fantom X and Cubase : local switch off but still 'double

13 Nov 2009, 10:18
If you used ye old, trusty MIDI interface along with midi cables then you experience the famous "MIDI echo"... meaning your PC re-sends the midi data once again to the Fantom via MIDI IN and yet again out thru MIDI OUT to the PC... you need to check your fantom and disable some midi functionality (I'm not the fantom expert, just know a lil bit of MIDI stuff before USB era) in order not to receive those MIDI messages through MIDI IN...

Re: Fantom X and Cubase : local switch off but still 'double

13 Nov 2009, 16:07
Thanks all for the replies.

I tried all suggestions you told me, but still no succes.

I don't know if it had to do with my Edirol-UR-80 between Fantom and PC. The connections were Fantom midi-in-out to UR-80 and back again.
And then UR80 via usb to PC.

What I did now was disconnect the UR-80's midi to and from Fantom. I still kept the usb-connection from UR80 to PC.

Then I connected the midi-cables in/out to the M-Audio Delta internal in the PC, and therefore changed some settings in Cubase to recognize M-Audio etc. and guess what: IT WORKS !!!! NO DOUBLE SOUNDS/NOTES !!!!!

But here's the next problem:

It happens many times that when I record through Cubase (midi) the tempo keeps on going up and down. Not all the time, but often enough. Mh, sometimes it also goes up and down while recording. Sometimes not but then the 'swing' comes at playback. I already checked quantize-setup but everything there is set okay.

I also checked latency etc. but no strange info.

The up/down swing of the tempo even happens when I do nothing. I mean, if I have an empty project and just press 'play' and hearonly the recording/play-clicks of the metronome the tempo also goes up and down.

Mh, I think this reply is becoming a mix of Fantom-X subject and Studio Zone.

Hope someone maybe in this discussion can answer my question about this up/down tempo strange thing.

And if the subject will be too much Cubase I will go on in the Studio Zone - seciton on this forum.

Thanks again all !
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