Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

11 Oct 2009, 16:17

I wonder if any of you guys have had the same or similar problems/bugs I've been having with my G6.

It's not easy to describe but occasionally the patch I'm using will suddenly have 100% modulation apllied to it, by itself. This is un-changeable without rebooting the system. I noticed it happen when using single mode and bringing in a rhythm pattern to play along to. On pressing a pad to start a beat, this weird 100% modulation was suddenly apparent on the patch sound, very strange.

Today, something different happened. The G had been switched on and used in Live mode for about 2 hours but having been left alone for roughly 20 mins, idle, I returned to continue playing to discover the live set sounded like 1 or 2 of the patches had transposed themselves by a couple of semitones. Again this was only fixable by re-booting the keyboard.

This is sooo frustrating, especially as I use it live often. I can't afford to have to re-load the G mid-set, can you imagine that, sorry guys, just having a 5 minute break whilst I turn my keyboard on and off again!!

Would love to hear if anyone has experienced anything similar or the same.

Cheers guys

Gary

Re: Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

11 Oct 2009, 18:08

I don't know if what I'm proposing is relevant with the issue you're facing here, but when your Fantom-G behaves like you describe, look if reseting all controller values will do the trick. So, try to push and hold "Shift" and then press the "Single" button (yes, the button you use to enter Single patch mode). Since version 1.20 or 1.30, this one resets all MIDI controller values back to zero.

Re: Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

12 Oct 2009, 00:22

Did that happen once or several times? It may well be a humidity problem which causes certain buttons or controllers to activate, or, easier, maybe someone around did that (do you have kids?).

Re: Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

12 Oct 2009, 07:15

Thanks, for the responses guys.

Firstly, yes, doing the 'shift' + 'single' thing works in resetting the controllers, which is a good but temporary fix. I have attached a video to show exactly what happens. ps. I was incorrect about modulation, it's actually the 1st controller, cut-off, that randomly goes to 100%, it sounds like modulation on the particular patch I was using at the time, hence my mistake. Anyway please take a look and see what you think...

Re: Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

12 Oct 2009, 07:19

Did you check the phrase that's used for that pattern?
Go into Microscope mode and check for controller data, just in case.

Re: Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

12 Oct 2009, 07:23

Hi cycloops, I'm sorry, I do not know how to get into Microscope mode?

Re: Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

12 Oct 2009, 07:40

I suppose that your Pad Mode is set to "6: Rhythm Pattern". If so, go and push the Pad Setting button (left of the pads, the first upper button) and you'll get to the phrase assignment page. Normally you'll see what phrase (i.e. phrase number) is assigned for the specific pad you're pressing. Then press the Song button (it's located on the left of the screen, at the row of buttons named List/Edit) and then press "F3: Phrase list". Go and select the specific phrase that you found previously. Then select "F8: Phrase Edit" and then "F4: Microscope". Look for controller data and check if it is this that causes the slider values to raise.

Re: Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

12 Oct 2009, 07:45

- If this happens while a song or RPS phrase is playing, this would almost surely appear to be some bogus data in those sequences
- Otherwise, may be due to faulty buttons/knobs, in cause of high humidity or liquid spilled on them, or excessive wear

Re: Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

12 Oct 2009, 07:51

Artemiy: since we're talking knobs/sliders, do you think that it is necessary to clean up Fantom-G's sliders and knobs by means of some spray or something? I've heard that mixers and devices like that need to have their knobs and sliders maintained from time to time. What do you think about FG's controls, especially the master volume knob?

Re: Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

12 Oct 2009, 08:06

I have tested, and it does the same thing with every rhythm phrase and every patch. As soon as you start playing the keys whilst the pad is playing, or as soon as you engage a rhythm pattern whilst already playing the keys, controller 1 shoots up. and twitches randomly.

It is not humidity, I have experienced this in 3 different environments. I don't ave kids either

I've only had my G6 since August and can't imagine it needs a clean yet, it is covered whilst not in use also.

Re: Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

12 Oct 2009, 08:17

garytragic: The phrases that behave like you described are your own phrases, or imported from another source?

I'd suggest that you check again to record some new phrases from scratch. Before you start recording, go into "F7: Rec Select" and untick everything except for "Notes". This way, you'll record only note data.
If the problem persists, this means that the controller data is not generated by the phrase, but from the controllers themselves in real time. If this is the case, there must be a hardware problem with the specific slider or sliders shown in the video you posted earlier.

Re: Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

12 Oct 2009, 08:24

I tested on a mixture of phrases, some 'demo' patterns and also some of my own, which definitely have no controller changes.

I believe it must be a hardware issue. Do you think I should contact Roland UK or the retailer I purchased it from?

Many Thanks - Gary

Re: Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

12 Oct 2009, 08:34

I just set slider 1 to 'OFF' and made a slider 2 'cutoff'. Still 100% cutoff is applied regardless of which slider, so it's not slider 1 but some weird bug that keeps applying 100% cutoff when a rhythm phrase is played. Also this only happens on 'RPS' patterns nothing else.

Re: Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

12 Oct 2009, 08:43

Please look into that RPS pattern, it does sound like there is a cutoff control message there. Go to the phrase list, edit phrase, microscope.

Re: Fantom G with modulation problem and others...

12 Oct 2009, 08:48

I looked into several patterns, none of them have controller data.