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Two questions regarding the sequencer.

Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 08:02
1.The sequencer have 16 tracks, so it is only possible to use 16 different instruments in a project, right? Or is it possible to record with more instruments than that?

2. When I record into a track and switch between different instruments during recording, only the last instrument I used will be recorded. F.ex. if I switch between a piano sound, and an accordion and at the end a violin, only the violin sound will be recorded, even during the sections where I played the other two instruments. Are there any ways to overcome this problem and so have all the different instruments recorded in the same track?

Re: Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 09:23
if you make use of the audio tracks the number of instruments is limitless (for practical purposes).

Re: Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 09:50
Hi,

Fantom G has 128 midi-tracks (I assume you mean midi-sequencing), each can be routed to internal / external / ARX instruments. Therefore you should make heavy use of them by allocating a dedicated track to each instrument. This solves your Problem. Additionally this workflow makes it much easier to edit, arrange, rearrange everything.

Greetings,

Pierre
Greetings,

Pierre

Re: Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 10:41
Hi Phil.

The internal memory is far from limitless when it comes to audio tracks, without an external sequencer the audio tracks are almost useless...

Re: Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 10:45
Hello pierre, thanx for answering.

I am not sure if I understand what you mean here. Yes there are 128 midi tracks, but only 16 basic tracks, and therefore only 16 different instruments can be used together in a project?

Or if it is not so, can you please tell me how I can use more instruments together?

Re: Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 11:05
with the audio tracks. and memory expansion.

Re: Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 11:57
supergod...

You have to understand the difference between:

Tracks & Parts

There are 128 MIDI Tracks, and 24 Audio Tracks (I hope you know the difference between Audio and MIDI tracks.. MIDI tracks are only note on/off messages, not actual sound, Audio is actual sound recorded)

There are 16 internal Parts, 16 External Parts, EXP1 and EXP2 parts.

Each track plays/records phrases (MIDI or Audio).

Each MIDI phrase has notes to be played on one or more parts.

For the internal 16 MIDI parts, you could get more than 16 instruments with some manual working of keyranges... Each internal MIDI part in Fantom-G plays a Patch . A Patch has up to 4 tones. You could use split the keyboard to play those 4 tones in different ranges. Then you can record notes for each tone in different tracks... It's kind of tricky and very much involved.

Now to your questions:

1. Yes, it is possible, as I explained above. Reading your second question, it looks like you need to read the workshops for Fantom-G from Roland support website.

2. OK. First of all make sure you have a Studio Set selected, not Single or Live Set. If you are in Studio mode, then this is happening because you are recording MIDI track. Let's say you recorded piano 1-4 bars, and then changed the sound to accordian 5-8, and then violin 9-12... You only record notes, not the actual sounds. So, we you come back to 1-4, the sound is currently violin, and it will play the notes you recorded for piano....

This is what you have to do.

You have to select the sounds you want on different 'PARTS'; currently you are just changing the sound of the same Part.

Do you know how to switch between parts?

Set piano for part 1, set accordian for part 2, violin for part 3. Once that's done... start recording on Part1. Then, switch to part 2, don't change the sound on Part 1 to accoridan. Do you know what I mean here?

Read this workshop... on page 13 it talks about what's possible in a studio/song. :

http://cms.rolandus.com/assets/media/pdf/FGWS01.pdf

Also, read my long response on this post: http://forums.rolandclan.com/index.php?action=show_thread&thread=30347&fid=8&page=1
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Re: Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 12:36
Uff... Shakil...that was really tough but very precise answer ;-)
Take care
PauloF
Make Music and be Happy !!
PauloF

Re: Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 13:08
"The internal memory is far from limitless when it comes to audio tracks, without an external sequencer the audio tracks are almost useless..."

What do you mean? I'm looking to get a G6 and transfer all my songs over. I step sequence out all the drum tracks with kick, snare and hh sounds that are radically modified one shot samples. Also I work with a lot of looping synth phrases which I grid out. Are you saying I couldn't grid these out like I do in Fruity Loops, Abelton or Acid in a G6?

Re: Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 13:25
Zylfrax..... He is talking about audio tracks, not MIDI.

Audio tracks take RAM, and there is 1GB limit of RAM in Fantom-G per project.

The limit of MIDI phrases is 2000 phrases with a total of 1,000,000 notes per project.

Fantom-G is not Fruity Loops, so don't expect everything in Fantom-G that you can do in Fruity Loops. Fantom-G has it's own sequencer with 128 MIDI tracks, and it's phrase based.. you can compare a phrase to pattern in Fruity Loops, but not at the same level.
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Fantom-G6, Motif XS6, Korg M3-m, Korg Z1, Roland MC808 and MC909.

live a musical life

Re: Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 17:48
"Zylfrax..... He is talking about audio tracks, not MIDI."

Re-read what I posted, I'm talking about audio as well. My question was can you import a kick drum, snare and hh wav file and the use the sequencer to put a kick every quarter note and place the other wav files in a grid for an entire song?

I've downloaded the Roland G manual and read the entire sampling sequencer section and its not real clear on this subject.

Re: Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 19:36
Sorry zylfrax...I am kind of new to all this stuff...this is my first synth ever, and I have had it only for a couple of months now, so guess I am not the right person to ask about this.
I can only say that I discovered that the memory really quickly ran full when I was using the audio tracks, and I was then advised to buy an external sequencer with a bigger memory, like 80 Gb from roland or boss.

Re: Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 19:39
Shakil, thanx indeed for your answer and the time and dedication put into it...I really appreciate it. Roland should pay you for all your advices in this forum! And maybe they do?

I will try and do what you recommended here, and see what happends.

Re: Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 19:42
``I've downloaded the Roland G manual and read the entire sampling sequencer section and its not real clear on this subject. ``

I also find the manual very little informative, and confusing in many sections...I guess the manual is written for people who already knows a lot about synth workstations...not for newcomers like me?

Re: Two questions regarding the sequencer.

14 Aug 2009, 19:45
"I can only say that I discovered that the memory really quickly ran full when I was using the audio tracks, and I was then advised to buy an external sequencer with a bigger memory, like 80 Gb from roland or boss."

Well, what I'm trying to understand is say for instance you import a kick wav sample into the keyboard and lay it down on the first beat of that track. Then you copy and paste multiple instances of the same kick drum into the track throughout the rest of the song. Are you creating a new kick drum wav each time that takes memory or are you in fact just creating an "instance" of it like in Acid or Abelton?

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