Multisampling

I think you are confused about the difference between the MIDI signal and Audio signal... prepare for doing some reading up...

1. Audio signal - analog

In equipment in which sound is transmitted as variable voltage electrical signals, such as between a conventional amp and speakers, non-digital hardware synths and electric guitars. Usually the analog stereo signal goes trough two mono cords, one for the left and one for the right channel. (None of this is MIDI!)

You connect outputs on device A to the Inputs of Device B and vice versa.

2. MIDI

MIDI is not a method for recording audio. It is a code that allows various musical devices to exchange information describing a musical performance. The master device tells the slave(s) what notes to play, and when. It has often been compared to the rolls of paper that are used by player pianos called pianorolls.

MIDI data operates on 16 channels, delivering up to 128 types of controller information on each one, with a range 128 possible values each. (None of this is Audio!)

You connect outputs on device A to the Inputs of Device B and vice versa.

3. USB MIDI & AUDIO

The magic USB cable can deliver both MIDI and Digital Audio both ways in just one cord!

I suggest finding and reading some MIDI primers on google and then to map out how your MIDI and Audio travel, and in which direction, in your home studio on a piece of paper...

hi

alternatively you can use YASE and RESAMPLER from www.nexoe.de to do that.

best,
dan

Thanks.

Well, the guy in this video makes it look pretty simple:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl4rPf4Id0c

What kind of connection is he using?

hi rohan.prabhud

thanks for the information.
it's a good tutorial clip to show basic design of multisamples.
three things i would like to mention:
1. the velocity of manual played source differs, also no velocity switches in created multisample.
2. there are no loop points set.
3 dan needs nearly eight minutes to create this "easy" multisample.

BTW: i really appreciate dan's work and passion for roland community. please don't misunderstand the points above.

best,
dan

Thanks dan lor.

Yea, I actually just spoke to a couple studio engineers and they said it's not a simple process. You can do what this video says but the result will not be very high-quality.

I tried following Dan's example in his video too. I ran a cable from the output of both my Alesis Fusion and my Korg Triton Extreme into the Input of my G8, followed his lead, and got NOTHING. No sound, no signal from either keyboard in the G. I suspect I was using the wrong kind of cable. I was simply using the kind of cable you'd run from the main outs on the back of any keyboard/guitar into any amp/mixer. Is there a special cable I'm supposed to be using instead?

Yea, this was exactly my original question.
Would the connection be the Audio Output of the source synth into the Line In of the Fantom (quarter-to-quarter)? Because I don't think any kind of MIDI connection comes into the picture here.

"3 dan needs nearly eight minutes to create this "easy" multisample. "

Yes, the workflow could be much improved. For example, there is duplication of steps. First you have to assign a sample to a single notes, then have to reasign to the ranges between them again.. It would be easier if you just created all the ranges first, and then assign the sample to those key ranges.

Also, it could use some kind of wizard to automatically get the root key from the midi note played to sample...... If the samples already have the root key stored in them, then just selecting them all together should be able to create a mutlisample, since there is no option for velocity range in a multisample like in Yamaha, the samples can be simply spread on the keybaord and the ranges filled with options of center, left or right....

On the +, Dan had to sample the thing as well. Imagine you had to sample 128 notes of piano with natural decay and at 8 different velocity levels........

Once you have the multisamples, you don't need to recreate all of the other parameters. Just select a patch that already exists in the similar category and change it's waves to your multisamples.. then just tweak that patch.

Drum kit import is missing as well. I should be able to select a list of samples and create a kit, like I was able to to do on X.

Shakil wrote:
>it could use some kind of wizard to automatically get the root key from the midi note played to sample

Exactly. Automagic multi-sampling used to exist in hardware samplers... then the world got stupider and less demanding...

as a sad example, read (and weep) this review from 1998, 11 YEARS AGO on the Yamaha A3000:
http://www.harmony-central.com/Events/SNAMM98/Yamaha/A3000-Version-2.html

Or this A5000 from 9 years ago:
http://emusician.com/mag/emusic_yamaha_3/

It's just sad what the Fantom G offers. SAD!

I want to cry man..!! It's VERY SAD!!!!

Just read the sampling procedure in A5000...... 3 level velocity layered multisamples without touching the knobs ... buttons...

Well one thing for sure... our fingers are going to die of knobing and hitting the F keys, if not playing the damn Fantom G keyboard...

Exactly. it is SAD.

I remember when this guy demos the A5000 to me at the music store.
I tweak a synth and make a nice patch.. when I'm ready the guy connects a MIDI cord, pushes a few buttons on the A5000 and then we go out for a smoke and get a cup of coffee.. when we come back, the A5000 has multi-sampled my patch and it is ready to play.

Now how do you do that with the Fantom G? Dan Krisher?

Oh. I forget. It's whining to talk about this. Sorry!!

Read the first paragraph of the SOS reviewing A5000 sampler in 2000:

"If you'd been looking for a new studio rackmount sampler a few years ago, it wouldn't have taken long to list the options: UK industry-favourite Akai or respected US institution Emu. Like Coke and Pepsi, MacOS and Windows, HP and Daddies, these two giants slugged it out with little serious competition to distract them. Worthy machines in Roland's S700-series gave samplists pause for thought, but then Roland shifted their focus towards 'groove' samplers, leaving the big two alone in the ring once more." (Sound on Sound, Review Yamaha A5000 Sampler, The 'A' Team, April 2000)

Says it all, but I am glad it did....... I have the MC-909 and 808...

Yeah, the A5000 was a wonderful machine. I wonder why didn't Yamaha release any rackmount samplers ever since.
Remember that those days belonged to the hardware samplers. There were the powerful Emulators, Akai S6000/S5000 and so on. Only Roland and Korg didn't offer something very exceptional in the hardware sampler area.

Yes, but this was 11 years ago. Surely Roland, the great innovative company, can code those features into the more powerful flagship machine Fantom G?