STUCK NOTE PROBLEM IN MONO

11 May 2009, 13:34

Sorry for the all caps, but recently discovered a relatively bad problem. I have yet to isolate the exact scenario and will post video soon if necessary, but wanted to see if ANYONE has experienced something similar:

When on a mono lead patch, live/single - 1st play a note in a lower register, holding that not down, play a note in a higher register, and it does not go up to that note, but some note in between, and will not play any other note than that one upon subsequent legato keys until all notes are released and a new key is triggered from scratch. It is usually not even a note within the regular tuning and sounds like something is wrong with the effects somehow as well.

I noticed something similar on my old XV-5050 when jamming on lead sounds, it getting STUCK on one note. Figured I was just either simply playing too fast for the engine to keep up, or they would have fixed the problem in their engine by now. This new scenario is only between 2 notes. Will post details of problem when I get a chance to really research in depth, but was curious if I was alone out here as my disappointment has slapped me in the face.

Help me Obi-Dan, your my only hope

Re: STUCK NOTE PROBLEM IN MONO

11 May 2009, 13:52

Hi midiac, this problem has been found and discussed before, I'll post what I wrote in those other threads:

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There is some kind of bug with the Fantom's implementation of portamento, it's existed ever since the very first Fantom FA76. You can demonstrate it by choosing a mono lead patch with portamento, press and hold the lowest note on your keyboard, then hit the highest note - you get some kind of weird out of pitch distortion. It seems like portamento only works properly over a small octave range.

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Just hit this problem again tonight, trying to do a 2 1/2 octave run in a Genesis song

Patch 1021 MG Saw Ld 2.

I found the solution though!

I tracked it down to the Legato Retrigger switch (on the Solo/Porta page). With this OFF I get the pitch distortion, but with ON or AUTO it works properly. I found ON changed the feel of the sound too much, but AUTO works for me (it only takes effect after one octave). Legato Retrigger is described on page 105 in the OM.

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Hope this helps!

- Padawan Rick

Rick

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Re: STUCK NOTE PROBLEM IN MONO

11 May 2009, 14:15

For times like this, it would be useful to have a Panic key. But there is a workaround. There is a way to have the sound interrupted: switch to Studio mode. Entering Studio mode the patch remain doesn't work, so we can take advantage this to our benefit.

Re: STUCK NOTE PROBLEM IN MONO

11 May 2009, 14:50

Yeah, I think I have reported this same problem about a year ago. Happens to me almost daily...

In fact the patch I have loaded right now (in studio mode) has that same problem. 0615 Big Mini 1.

Hit low C and keep it pressed down for some nice legato/glissando action, the kind you would do on a Mini Moog the patch tries to emulate... and then start hitting higher notes, like 3 octaves up. Not working. You will get the same note from all the keys in the high register.

cyclops, this isn't a 'panic button' thing... it's simply bad preset patch programming.

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Re: STUCK NOTE PROBLEM IN MONO

11 May 2009, 14:57

>I found the solution though!

I tracked it down to the Legato Retrigger switch (on the Solo/Porta page). With this OFF I get the pitch distortion, but with ON or AUTO it works properly. I found ON changed the feel of the sound too much, but AUTO works for me (it only takes effect after one octave). Legato Retrigger is described on page 105 in the OM.

barkhouse, this is indeed the solution. But the presets the Roland ships with are broken/faulty/buggy and cannot be used live without some beta testing because of this problem.

Roland should take time to fix the presets so that the Fantom G would have reliable presets, instead of these broken ones. We only have 512 slots for user presets and it is not nice to have to waste those for saving the fixed Legato presets...

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Re: STUCK NOTE PROBLEM IN MONO

11 May 2009, 15:19

jessej:

cyclops, this isn't a 'panic button' thing

I refered to using Studio mode only as a workaround, not a real solution. If Roland's engineers want to implement it in the next OS (if there is really gonna be one...), they could add a real panic button by using a combination of keystrokes, like Shift+Exit.

Re: STUCK NOTE PROBLEM IN MONO

11 May 2009, 15:37

What jessej means is, this isn't literally a "stuck note" problem, switching to Studio mode isn't relevant for this problem.

A Panic Button feature might be handy but I don't think I've ever had a real stuck note problem on the G.

Rick

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Re: STUCK NOTE PROBLEM IN MONO

11 May 2009, 15:52

rbarkhouse :

A Panic Button feature might be handy but I don't think I've ever had a real stuck note problem on the G.

Actually there is a rather high probability in generating stuck notes in several conditions, like rapidly changing effects parameters like reverb time, when editing a patch. The sustain tail gets stuck, so there is no other way to cut the sound besides switching to Studio mode and then back to where you were. Thank God that apart from the stuck note, the rest of the Fantom-G's UI remains active, so you can save your work before everything gets wiped out.

Re: STUCK NOTE PROBLEM IN MONO

11 May 2009, 16:12

Same problem in here as well...

Always Very annoying since while I'm playing live I have to be aware about this bug...

Re: STUCK NOTE PROBLEM IN MONO

11 May 2009, 16:28

Yes it is VERY ANNOYING since it is usually the highest and longest last note that will mess up live. Good way to look like a total dork while having all attention during your solo, spot lights on you, video cameras, etc and then build up to that grande finale last note... that will be out of tune and wrong because of quite a many presets have this same programming error/bug.

I'm sorry to say I am sure this will be written off as a "feature" by Roland thou and it will never be addressed in an update. That is how confident I am with Roland at the moment.

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Re: STUCK NOTE PROBLEM IN MONO

11 May 2009, 20:28

THANKS SOOO MUCH! Granted I have to re-program ALL my lead sounds, but at least there is a work around, cause who knows IF roland knows how to fix this MAJOR bug IMO. Considering it's obviously been around for TOO LONG through different models. Argh! This should NOT be.

Thanks again guys. (JJ)
AC

Re: STUCK NOTE PROBLEM IN MONO

12 May 2009, 11:31

OMG! Now I've discovered this problem, it has sooo hampered my playing. One of the MAJOR reasons I bought this board was it's solo lead sounds. And I am constantly arpeggiating beyond two octaves legato style, and this keeps me from do so smoothly. Not only when the 2 initial notes are beyond an octave, but when contiguous notes reach beyond two octaves??? WTF?>> Seriously! This is a BASIC BUG! Wish I knew about this before purchasing, would have seriously thought twice. Sorry JesseJ, but the legato re-triggering mode changes the sound way to much for my personal tastes, and simply this SHOULD NOT BE. We shouldn't have to have a work around for something SO F'ing BASIC. Severely disappointed

Here's to hoping for the existence of OS 1.3 or 2.0. .. ..

Re: STUCK NOTE PROBLEM IN MONO

12 May 2009, 14:16

Yes it is very disappointing.

Even more so when you know Roland will most likely not do anything about it as they already have the AUTO mode there and that's it.

I think Artemiy explained this to me about a year ago and basically the Fantom G can't retrigger a new sample while doing the glissando, so it simply uses that lower sample and it is pitched up until it sound unnatural.

But that doesn't change the fact that some of factory presets should be reprogrammed and fixed.

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Re: STUCK NOTE PROBLEM IN MONO

12 May 2009, 17:45

hmmm. . . havent' found the AUTO mode yet. I'll have to try again. . .