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Controller in Live Mode

Controller in Live Mode

10 Feb 2009, 06:23
Hello, I want the D-Beam with Expression on Part 3 and 5 of an Live Set.

The Problem:
The D-Beam works only on the one selected Part (normally the first).

What can I do use the D-Beam (or Switch1) on the parts that I want to? Important for me is, that this work automatically, when selecting the Live-Set. I don´t want to adjust things manually everytime I chose the live-set (like I´m forced to with the tempo).

Thanks in advance.

Micha

Re: Controller in Live Mode

10 Feb 2009, 13:45
While we are at it.. I have a question, maybe someone knows..

My D-Beam problem is that I have a synth above the Fantom G and the D-Beam triggers from the bottom of the synth above, so when I turn the D-Beam on, it thinks there's a hand above it.

I think it would be nice if the user could adjust the D-Beam range somehow, I hope something like that could be in a update, even thou it's nothing crucial, just a nuisance.

And then, maybe a workaround? Has anyone ever run into this kind of a problem and could I perhaps use some kind of tape/film on top of the controller to reduce the beam strength or something? I have no idea how the D-Beam tech works, possibly IR? Tips please!

And as a last note, If someone from Roland accidentally read this and takes notes, I must say that I would very much more have liked an X-Y pad or an ribbon controller instead of the D-Beam.

I hope that wasn't too much off topic.. it was about controllers.. :)
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Re: Controller in Live Mode

10 Feb 2009, 15:14
@Fismoll7:
As said so often, there's no multiple-part controlability!

The only thing you could do is that u use the Pads to select the part you want to control with DBeam! But as u said, you don't want to set that manually!

For more info to Controllers in LiveMode take a look at that thread, maybe it helps:

http://forums.rolandclan.info/index.php?action=show_thread&thread=25068&fid=8&page=1

especially in the later posts of the thread the multiple part thing is discussed more detailed!

@jessej:
I thinks this was also discussed so often and there was no clue! ;/
Did you already contact the support? I did once and they're very fast in answering your mails, although the answer they gave me was not that helpful^^.... :)

On my opinion Roland has totally missed to unleash the whole power and possibilitys the DBeam could deliver!

In the current status I see no sense in Solo Synth mode (u aren't able to hit a straight note, and the sound is too pre-defined by the waveforms that are given, you can't produce anything cushie because u haven't got anything like sine waves etc.!)

As an assignable controller it's also useless because you can't use it for more parts, and there are no special controlmodes for sound control!
(eg. that you would be able to control the pitch of a whole LiveSet with DBeam so that you could play like with the Haken Continuum but only vertically...:D )
The only thing you can do is to set it to the normal CC Modes!

greets
Luke
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Re: Controller in Live Mode

10 Feb 2009, 16:57
Hallo Luke,

thank You for Your information. Do You know if it´s possible to assign the D-Beam to ONE special part of a live-set? This is also important for Switch 1 and 2 for me, because I don´t want to select the part manually again and again.

I want to have a full playable Sound when selecting the sound! It´s not acceptable to be forced to assign Controller Settings, again and again. The Fantom G seems not to be able to store a Sound with the D-Beam and Switch-Settings.

When will Roland learn, that controllersettings belong to a sound?
I´m in a new Coverband. The Fantom G is the first Keyboard ever, where I have to write things like this in a setlist:

Song "Easy". (Adjust Tempo to 90, select part 3)

The fantom is also the first keyboard where I have to write down parameters on a peace of paper to copy one Sound from one mode to the other.

Enough complaints for today. My Fantom G is a kind of "love-hate". It´s the best sounding workstation I ever had but also the workstation with the most Work and Workarounds.

Still hoping that Roland fix that live problems with a new update.

greets Micha

Re: Controller in Live Mode

10 Feb 2009, 18:42
I agree and think that ALL settings should be Live Set or Studio Set related and saved with each set.

Controllers: it's idiotic to have all control pedal settings (1 or 2) set globally to CC04 Foot type if in other patches you want to use the same expression pedal for volume, and again in others don't want the expression pedal to do anything, not even if you touch it unwanted.

Effect routings: it's idiotic to have the same common reverb and chorus settings throughout, and it is just as iditiotic not to be able to set PFX at your will per Live or Studio Set, without having to return to single mode. The single mode PFX settings of each user patch/part should be nothing but the given starting point, while Live and Studio Sets allow you fast adjustment with saving settings in context there. Single sounds, even user sounds, should not be considered as anything else as raw material or starting points which have to be reconsidered in Set context. The important thing is how you get such changes adapted to a Live or Studio Set fast, and how easy it is to save ALL changes with the Live or Studio Set.

I could go on with other settings, tempo etc. but it's always the same not convincing present principle of spreading settings scattered over too many different places or even not at all where you need it, and not being able to load all you need from a given situation in a smart way.
I really hope Roland will correct the general way this is handled upt to now (which is just not efficient) in the next update...

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