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What kind of computer software?

Re: What kind of computer software?

4 Mar 2004, 22:25
Most of the big sequencers let you export to OMF files that can be opened in Pro Tools, with some limitations.

Personally, I don't like PT because (1) I don't want to married to particular hardware and (2) I can't afford TDM, which is their full featured product. PTLE can't stand up to any of the big DAWs. Too many artificial limitations and the handling of MIDI in PT and PTLE is inferior to all of the big DAWs.

Re: What kind of computer software?

4 Mar 2004, 22:45
I think people have not mentioned ProTools (actually one person did mention it) becuase the extremely high cost and ProTools Free is pretty limited. Also, if you're on a PC running XP like me, you can't even use ProTools Free.

Ken
Ken

Re: What kind of computer software?

4 Mar 2004, 22:49
Phil -

Not sure I understand: the "controller lanes" in the FX row - are they those dotted line boxes? Can you explain a little further what they do, or what their analog is console signal flow?

Ken
Ken

Re: What kind of computer software?

4 Mar 2004, 23:10
Phil B: Could you elaborate? I'm no pro on ProTools. I've done a lot of reading, and I was planning on getting ProTools LE vs Cubase or Logic.

Ken D: ProTools LE is very affordable. The Mbox is not the same price as the Digi002, and a lot cheaper than the HD system.

Re: What kind of computer software?

4 Mar 2004, 23:15
Somebody's not reading the posts (pun intended). :-)

If you look back, both Stephanie and I mentioned Pro Tools (my reference was in the context of the MBox). However, while Pro Tools is great for audio recording/editing, it is not up to snuff on the MIDI side (MHO, of course). I actually disagree that Pro Tools LE is limited. It doesn't have Beat Detective and some of the other features of TDM, but it is still very powerful for audio. The primary drawback to PTLE (IMO) is that it only has basic MIDI and doesn't support MIDI efx, no drum editors, no score editors, no transforms, etc. Thus, particularly because the original poster was familiar with ACID and was working on PCs, the recommendations generally focused around Sonar, which is much stronger in MIDI and has come a very long way on the audio side. And, as Phil notes, you can always use OMF to be compatible with PT TDM systems.

Ken D -- the "controller lanes" that Phil is referring is the row of boxes in the picture that are identified by "FX" in the far left column. You'll notice that they have a bunch of bars with various labels for parameters for the plug-ins being used (e.g., "threshold" for compression). You can grab and drag the colored bars (which act like faders) to adjust those parameters in real-time from the console screen. It makes it very easy to automate parameters in real-time from a single screen (rather than having to open up each of the plug-ins control windows). One of the more nifty features of Sonar 3.

Cheers,
RW

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Re: What kind of computer software?

4 Mar 2004, 23:29
Somebody,

You and I were posting at the same time, apparently. You should spend some time looking over the forums at the Digi User Conference, Cubase.net and Sonikmatter to get a better handle on the pros and cons of each of PT, Cubase and Logic. I actually have spent a lot of time over the last six months evaluating each of these as well as Sonar, Traction and a couple others, just to see which I liked best.

For what it's worth, here's my bottom line conclusion (YMMV):

1. If all you want to do is audio -- go Pro Tools. In my view, it has the best imlementation of audio recording/editing, although all of the other major DAWs are not far behind. I really like the stacked cycle recording of Cubase SX2, but otherwise think Playlists do a terrific job of accomplishing much the same thing.

2. If you plan to do much with MIDI beside just an occasional drum machine or simple soft synth, then PTLE is probably not your best option. In that case, Logic, Cubase or Sonar are probably going to be far better for you.

3. If you are going to be on PC and never go cross-platform, Logic is out (or, at least, I wouldn't recommend it at all). On the other hand, if you are going to go Mac and never be cross-platform, Sonar is out. The only real options cross-platform are PTLE and Cubase.

4. Assuming you want good MIDI features as well as audio and are going Mac, you really need to try out both Logic and Cubase. I think Logic is superior, as it gives you the flexibility to work and setup however you want. However, more flexibility means you have to setup things the way you want, and that intimidates some folks (thus, Logic has a reputation for having a high learning curve). Personally, I found Logic a bit intense at the beginning, but have really grown to like it. There is an Apple Pro Training Series book that comes with a 30-day demo of Logic 6 which you might want to pick up (costs about $35-40). It will let you test drive Logic, as there is no downloadable demo. If you don't like Logic (or it isn't "logical" to you) give Cubase a go, as it's also top-notch (just not quite as good, IMHO, as Logic).

5. If you want MIDI and audio and are sticking with a PC, then you should test drive Sonar and Cubase. To me, this decision is a bit harder. Sonar 3 has introduced a ton of really cool new features (better Bus structures, Controller Lanes, and so on) and is now as good or nearly so as Cubase SX2 (I don't think you could have said that with Sonar 2 vs. Cubase SX). If you like looping, though, Sonar is hands-down better (again, as always, IMO). I tend to think of Cubase as being better on the audio side, Sonar and Cubase are roughly equal in MIDI, and Sonar is better for loops.

Caveat -- I've never really seen DP in action, so don't know how that compares to Logic or any of the other Mac sequencers.

Hope this is helpful. This is obviously one of those very subjective subjects, which make threads like this interesting.

Cheers,
RW

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Re: What kind of computer software?

5 Mar 2004, 00:16
Thanks RedWinger - that's worth reading a few times! And thanks for clarifying the controller lanes, that does sound cool.

Somebody: Does PTLE run on PC/WinXP?



Ken
Ken

Re: What kind of computer software?

5 Mar 2004, 07:09
Yes PTLE runs on XP from 5.1 onward.

The oldest hardware you can use with PTLE is the AudioMedia III cards with the QC to QE processor chips on them. You can buy them pretty cheap and then upgrade to ProToolsLE 6.1 for $75.

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PT 6.1 is the last version that will support the AudioMedia III cards.
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Re: What kind of computer software?

8 Mar 2004, 06:41
I use Audacity. Its legally free and it is very good

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