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Who of you G-users is disapointed/galled and why?

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Re: Who of you G-users is disapointed/galled and why?

27 Jan 2009, 11:45
Chuck:"Remember, there's 22 effects all at once, counting the mastering, the audio input effect, the chorus/reverb, and the two multi-effects, and the 16 patch ones."

As mentionned very often many people are of the opinion that the effect section needs a face lift, cause very often you need IFX or MFX and u need to control them!
Until now you can't eg. produce a dist. rock organ with rotary cause you simply have not enough effects!

Chuck: "So far, I havent found a way to chain the two muti-effects together"

That's a thing I tried today, didn't get it! But I have to say that I didn't explore studio mode that much I use LiveMode most of the time...

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Re: Who of you G-users is disapointed/galled and why?

27 Jan 2009, 13:41
I thought you can use a MFX after the PFX. I'm not near my G right now to check. Where's Dan?

Re: Who of you G-users is disapointed/galled and why?

27 Jan 2009, 13:48
The MFX section is accessible for patch processing only in Studio mode. In Single and Live modes, you get to have only one PFX per part, plus global chorus/reverb. There is MFX processing in Live mode (the one MFX of two units is active), but this is solely for processing external audio, plus the MFX unit isn't controllable via MIDI CCs, only via sysex.
In addition to that, you can't re-edit each part's PFX inside Live/Studio mode. So, essentially, in these two modes, only the global effects are programmable (MFX, chorus and reverb). If you want to fix something in a part's PFX within a given Live/Studio set, you can't save it as part of the Live/Studio. Instead, you'll have to edit it and save the patch separately in a new patch location. Finally, you must assign the new patch to the part location of the previous, unedited patch inside Live/Studio mode.

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27 Jan 2009, 14:39
Hey Cyclops, thanks for the info. I think your right. I was only thinking about the full studio mode. Your saying that only one of the multifx is active in live mode? I didnt know.

Yeah, Im mainly playing songs from my S hooked into my G and so my amin effects are coming from that one. I use the G for an extra kick.

Is there a way to chain effects together like in the S? I wish I could do that on certain tunes I working on.
I never use patch mode. I'll have to look around in that some more.

Chuck,
Hey, got your message. Yeah, I love the Live mode. I use studio when working on either a new tune or an SMF tune from the Fantom-S.

Your right though, I was only thinking of the Studio mode. That's where the 22 is. Like we said earlier, keep your board updated, it can hold 1Gb of memory now.

That doesnt make sense in the end though. Everything is computers nowadays, why dont they just make a keybaord with a 100gb hardrive? They ought to, ya know?

They're getting close.
Dont give up on your G though, I had it first day it came out. Hated it. I'm liking it more and more now. I'm seeing where Roland is coming from. Your though, they're are some creative limitations.

Re: Who of you G-users is disapointed/galled and why?

27 Jan 2009, 15:39
There is a company that already has placed a hard drive into the unit. I'm not going to say the name, but my biggest problem with it is that it comes in a 37 key and 61 key version -- that's it.

However, I would be happy if they would allow us to make use of thumb drives for storage of samples. That would be a great addition to this board.

Re: Who of you G-users is disapointed/galled and why?

27 Jan 2009, 16:28
Miko and Neko

The two baby-faces have a charming weight of 35 and 46 lbs :-)
Remember: for small 37 and 61 key versions!

Re: Who of you G-users is disapointed/galled and why?

27 Jan 2009, 18:01
Hmm. I never knew that. Yeah, that's nice but a bummer for not having it in the 88 key or the 76.

Its not like hardrives take up a lot of space anyway. There's no reason why you cant slap a 500 or a tb in there. Well, I dunno.

Good info.

My G is coming along though but there is another problem I have though.

Some parts where I have a sound, when I go to change the cutoff frequency, it changes the sounds dramitcally, almost like it modulates it and I cant change it back until I reload that sound from scratch again.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Re: Who of you G-users is disapointed/galled and why?

27 Jan 2009, 18:23
Yes, I'm talking about the Open Labs Neko and Miko. Most of the space on those boards are taking up with a full size QWERTY keyboard, a 15" touch screen... personally, I think the screen on the G is big enough for my purposes. It would be nice if it were a touch screen... and other controllers.

However, I think it would be a wise move for other manufacturers to begin looking at including hard drives in thier systems, especially since solid state hard drives now exist and are starting to prove their worth.

I think that would be the next big move for a company like Roland. Replace the antiquated and hard to find memory with solid state hard drives. Imagine your sampling capacity is 80GB... want to sample every single note of a vintage keyboard -- go ahead!

Oh, we can dream!

Re: Who of you G-users is disapointed/galled and why?

27 Jan 2009, 19:29
I must admit that's one thing I've been thinking quite a lot about this week. Having an integrated SS drive or HD would be great. All samples etc would be at hand without me having to worry if I've remembered to take my thumb drives to a gig :-) It doesn't even need to be a SS or HD. A large capacity internal flash drive would do the trick nicely (like iPod Nanos/Touches etc). Large capacity 16GB flash is pretty cheap now. Come on Roland :-)

I'd still use thumb drives and computer for backup but it would be a nice feature to have. My Kurzweil K2000 had a hard drive and it was designed about 15 years ago !

I sense another post to the wishlist about to happen.

Re: Who of you G-users is disapointed/galled and why?

27 Jan 2009, 22:10
Having a hard drive never helped the Fusion ... In fact, it made loading sample-based patches VERY slow compared to other workstations ... It's also the reason I think a lot of people got frustrated when demoing it in the shops ... Compared to the other boards on display, changing patches was frustratingly slow ... Never had the opportunity to demo an OASYS ...
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Re: Who of you G-users is disapointed/galled and why?

28 Jan 2009, 03:25
Flash memory is way cheaper than hard disks, plus it's less liable to vibrations. And this is critical for portable instruments like synths and workstations. It's easier for a hard disk to corrupt due to shakes and vibrations when transporting it than using flash memory. Plus, flash memory gets faster and faster all the time. I don't know if an integrated flash memory could support direct-to-disk recording, but I'd certainly go for a big flash memory, like 32gb or larger. Who knows, maybe we'll see this in the next Fantom series.

Re: Who of you G-users is disapointed/galled and why?

28 Jan 2009, 05:11
Diametro: I agree it would be painfully slow if the samples for each patch were pulled in from a HD 'on demand'. However if the project approach is adopted, where all samples are loaded into memory when the project is loaded, then patch access will be almost instantanous. With the FG, I've not noticed any latency whatsoever when switching to patches associated with samples in memory.

Re: Who of you G-users is disapointed/galled and why?

28 Jan 2009, 05:13
I can say something... I will not buy ever again without knowing to the deep a keyboard. Roland (this brand) its not the same to what I have in my mind.

Hardware = excellent | Software = Buggy / Half-baked

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