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How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

15 Dec 2008, 13:56
I ask purely out of interest in how you guys program your songs.

I just got done programming one song which uses 11 Live sets!
I think I could have done it in probably 6 or 7 if I had got really in depth, but the way I do it I can use a pedal for set changing and not have to tweak anything else.



So how about you guys?
What are your most detailed sets?
Perhaps you could talk us through a few special things you have?

Re: How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

15 Dec 2008, 14:19
It would be interesting seeing an youtube video of you demonstrating that.
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Re: How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

15 Dec 2008, 14:21
I use one Live set per song. I use the faders to change sounds. I program them in order I need them. I change the first four faders the most for chaning sounds. I also use splits a lot to have several sounds available without changing faders. I give the Live set the name of the song. It take some time to program everything but after that you are ready to go! Before the start of a show you can make a Favorites set.
All you have to do between the songs is +1. Awesome!!!
This is great gear to play with!

Re: How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

15 Dec 2008, 14:25
For cover songs I usually end up with between 1 and 4 or 5 at the most, one Kansas song we're playing required a lot of weird splits and layers between piano, organ and violin and I needed 5 different permutations :) Our original songs are usually quite a bit longer and more complex and I'll use between 5 and maybe 12 or so for those.

I'm loving having such a vast empty space now to store live sets, especially coming from a Fantom-S perspective, it's great to have the flexibility to try lots of layers together and not worry about polyphony or running out of user patch space :D

Rick

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Re: How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

15 Dec 2008, 14:26
I might just do that Jessej! I need to learn a little bit about compressing videos etc tonight, but it's something I've wanted to learn for a while, I guess I should learn to!

Anton, what sort of music do you play? I don't think I could do that!
I have a few changes which need to be done quickly while using both hands to play.

Rbarkhouse - I love having all the empty space! I can be very slack with the way I organize my sounds and parts in my songs.

As I said, I could probably get away with condensing some of the sets and using the pads, but I don't like how easy it is to not hit a pad or button hard enough, and that's your performance stuffed!

Re: How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

15 Dec 2008, 15:21
PS. Don't forget the Youtube is HD now! Vimeo is also awesome for streaming video.

Uploading Quicktime H.264 and mpeg-4 gives the best results (wide) in my experience..
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Re: How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

15 Dec 2008, 15:41
I wish I could afford a HD camera!

Spent all my money on this keyboard! Hahaha.
I have an OK camera I'll do it with.

I'm learning how to use iMovie as we speak!

Re: How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

15 Dec 2008, 16:09
I have a Sony HDR-HC7 1080HD cam (that is now in warranty repair because the Firewire stopped working) and I have the holidays coming up and I was looking for some el cheapo alternative for video...

I found out there's the Creative Vado HD pocket cam and it also has some stiff competition and new stuff is coming out all the time.. they are in the 100-200 USD range.

So it's not that expensive to go HD nowadays if you aren't too fidgety about lense distortion, refreactions and such. In fact, if I could turn back time, I'd rather get 6 of the Vados than one HDR-HC7.. :) (or 3 Vados and a lot of beer)
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Re: How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

15 Dec 2008, 17:01
Wow that's cheap for a HD cam!

Prices over here in the UK are probably twice that however :P
Sorry to hear your camera broke, always sucks when expensive gear fails.

I'm uploading the video now, I'll put the link in here when it's up.

Re: How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

15 Dec 2008, 19:00
It didn't suck at all. On the contrary, it was very inspiring and informative.

Very interesting how people actually approach their music utilizing their machines. It's great to see Dan Krisher post his how-to stuff, but that is mostly on the technical side, this is artistic stuff - the real deal.

Great video and nice song too, interesting hearing the whole song after you demonstrated the parts it was made of.

I dwell in different genres, but I still got a bit inspired to try some new approach. Well see in the next few songs.. :)

Hope to see more of those from everybody, specially now that we all know a cam doesn't cost that much. :)
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Re: How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

15 Dec 2008, 19:04
So you're using a MIDI pedal? Care to demonstrate that a bit Lewis? What are you using?

I have the Boss GT-10 pedal for my guitar, but recently started thinking that I do not have to hook any guitar signal to it, I can use it as 100% a MIDI controller for the G if I want to. I've usually had just 1 expression pedal hooked up, but with the GT-10 I could have up to 5 expression pedals if I wanted to go all silly.
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Re: How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

15 Dec 2008, 19:06
Thanks a lot, I really appreciate that :)

I'm actually just using a momentary (sustain) pedal plugged into the Pedal 1 socket, assigned to PROG UP.

When I hit that pedal, the set moves up one channel.

Re: How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

15 Dec 2008, 21:28
I use one live performance per song, and one bank per set, and I name all of the performances the name of the song.

So if we play three sets I will have three banks with all of the songs set to go in order. All I need to do to get to the next song in each set is press the F key corresponding to the song, and I see the song name as the label. This comes in really handy when we jump around during sets and someone calls an audible and we skip a song and then go back to it later. It's very easy to jump ahead and jump back.

I store all of our "extras" in an additional bank so if we deviate from the set list I still have quick access to each song.

I've never really needed more than one performance per song. I've got two boards live, and with judicious use of splits (sometimes even transposing small sections of the board) I can get it all in one set-up, which makes it very easy to play.
-Matt

Re: How many Live sets do you use on average in a song?

15 Dec 2008, 21:36
Very interesting method Pianoman41. You've thought about it very logically. What sort of music do you play? Any clips/videos?

I set a favourite for the first live set of all my songs, so I can go to the beginning of each song just by tapping the corresponding button.

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