What the Hell????

9 Mar 2008, 21:18

I was reading the "Sampling"portion of the manual today and could NOT find any instructions for mapping the sample to the KEYS....Used to be.....(On the X) we could assign a sample to the keys and it would play at varying speeds/pitches as you move up and down the keyboard....

Is this something that was LOST with the ommision of the "Multi-sampling" feature....

If so.....

OMG!

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Re: What the Hell????

9 Mar 2008, 22:53

Sorry BigBrotherMotown!

It would appear that we only have what are called 'Sample Sets' to work with. We can assign 16 samples to the keyboard or pads. Each part can be assigned it's own sample set, giving one access to 128 samples in Studio mode when each part is assigned a different keyboard range. (These ranges can overlap, I believe) What we have come to know as 'multi-sampling' on the X is no longer available on the G.

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Re: What the Hell????

10 Mar 2008, 03:51

And if anyone uses studio mode, he/she will certainly not use the 8 parts for such a workaround just to get one pseudo-patch, which still would not replace a fully working multisample patch, but eat all or most of your studio set.

Sample sets are nice, but I fear they are no alternative to multisampling at all...

Ok....then I have this question.....

10 Mar 2008, 04:08

Will I (At Least) be able to have assign ONE sample to EVERY key (all 16) in a sample set????

If so.....wil the automatically have the pitch/speed of the sample adjusted for eack key or will I have to customize the pitch/speed for eack key myself?????

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Re: What the Hell????

10 Mar 2008, 04:19

There should be an option to use a single sample for a wave source for an oscillator. So with 4 tones there would be 4 possible samples per patch. Just like in Juno-G, no?

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Re: What the Hell????

10 Mar 2008, 04:21

Would`nt it be nice to think sample set work as intelgently as everyone assumes...
wouldn`nt be nice if as the manual says

"a sample set is mapped to the pads (16)"

And if you have not assigned them to sequential keys they pitch the
in between keys but sill map to the 16 pads on the key pad..

Yeah right!
(its Roland where talking about here they are not that intelligent)

A sample set according to the manual do not pitch they are assigned a specific sequential key range and are specifically for assigning to pads

page 33:
"A sample set is a collection of sixteen
samples handled as a set. You can specify how each sample will play
when you press a pad or key."

page 53:
"Play the keyboard to hear the sound.
* For a sample set, the sixteen sample tones are mapped to keys B3–D5."

So sample sets are NOT multi samples guys.

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10 Mar 2008, 04:27

damn.....

Damn.......

DAMN!!!!!!!!

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Re: What the Hell????

10 Mar 2008, 05:24

Hi,
I think that we cannot rely on this manual. Fantom-G for sure supports multisamples for internal patches otherwise it would sound much worse than Fantom-X. Internal patch may be saved in other location and freely edited there. Multisample files are very simple and their editor too - all important and complicated data are always in sample files. As I look at screens for Fantom-G I see that its software is widely based on Fantom-X - screens are mostly almost the same and only the visual "skin" changes. So if Fantom-X supports multisamples it is very easy for Roland make such multisample support in Fantom-G. I think that manual is not in final version. It would be very silly of Roland not to support multisamples what is very simple.

Re: What the Hell????

10 Mar 2008, 05:37

marek
We're talking about user samples not internal.

BigBrotherMotown
Direct answer to your initial question: Yes, you can.
It seems that with this multisampling issue on the G everyone seems to forget the G is STILL a sampler. So yes, you can sample any sound source and use it to build your own patches. So you can use a sample across all the key range. In fact, you can use 4 samples on the keyboard to layer/split - 1 for each tone of the patch. You just have to go to Patch Edit.

Re: What the Hell????

10 Mar 2008, 06:16

The G does not support mulitsamples
it does not have the param MSmpl selection in the patch editor to accommodate multisamples there for none of the X msmpl patches will work.

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Re: What the Hell????

10 Mar 2008, 06:41

Quinnx - have you seen lack of it on real Fantom-G or you know about it only from manual?

Re: What the Hell????

10 Mar 2008, 07:07

I have scrutinized the manual with a very powerfull Scrute!
and i don't believe there any hope for it saying anything otherwise.
The only way this will change is if roland implements multisamples in the mean time.

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Re: What the Hell????

10 Mar 2008, 08:25

marek, Qunnx is right in that there is no multisampling on the G going by the manual, the only hope is that the manual is wrong or unfinished or that there is an update/fix for this soon.

Re: What the Hell????

10 Mar 2008, 08:40

I read the manual too and know that multisamples are not mentioned there. I only wonder and finally think that it is impossible that Fantom-G has not multisample support beacuse for sure it supports it internally. Maybe there will be no multisamples editor and maybe samples must be properly named in order the consecutive multiple samples are loaded starting from given number for one tone.

Re: What the Hell????

10 Mar 2008, 10:19

well hopefully it is included in some form and has just been missed (though it doesnt appear to be the case), I think a bit of clarification from roland in some form would not go amiss.

There's been quite a lot of people on the forum here who this seems to affect so one would think that roland would not want to lose potential customers and would therfor have been aware that removing multisampling could do them damage. Although it seems like it is the case, it is very odd that multisampling would be removed from the fantom series.