Integra 7 Midi Problem

mrgijones1 wrote:

Hi Guys, Hope you can help.

I have my Integra 7 midi in to my Novation Impulse controller's midi out and have created a control template which works fine for the most part. Just basic parameters light cut-off, resonance etc.

The issue I have is notes are hanging or holding and stay sounding until I change the studio set or patch. This seems to happen more on midi channels 7 upto 16. Say I play a string patch, it will hold and continue playing even if I change to another midi channel from the Impulse.

The midi light on the Integra 7 is not constantly flashing whilst this happens so I presume this maybe a setting on the integra itself? Also when the notes hang, if I remove the midi cable they continue to sound which I guess still points to an issue with the Integra?

Any feedback would be most appreciated.

Regards.

I got the same on a few cases too. That's because Integra is a multi-timbral board and for some reason there were knobs or faders on my MIDI controllers set with those parameters and I incidentally moved them, changing the according parameters. In my case the DECAY knob on my RS-70 was moved, creating a BIG DECAY time that resembled almost like an HOLD.

Take a closer look to which channels are being affected and entering Part Edit mode correct them and save them again and the Studio Set too.

Maybe in your case it is something else, but it is worth to check it

Cheers

Hi PauloF, many thanks for your reply to my issue.

I tried setting all the controls to zero so they would not transmit any unwanted messages to the Integra 7 from the Impulse but this made not difference. It appears the Impulse from midi channels 9-16 is not sending note off messages, just note on so the Integra is holding the notes.

Reading through various forums, other people have encountered this issue and seem to think that it maybe firmware related. I am going to retrograde the Impulse firmware and test again.

In the meantime I have ordered the Roland A49 controller as I wouldn't mind using this with my laptop and Ipad, so I may end up giving up on the impulse altogether for the Integra and using this instead.

Cheers,

mrgijones1 wrote:

Hi PauloF, many thanks for your reply to my issue.

I tried setting all the controls to zero so they would not transmit any unwanted messages to the Integra 7 from the Impulse but this made not difference. It appears the Impulse from midi channels 9-16 is not sending note off messages, just note on so the Integra is holding the notes.

Reading through various forums, other people have encountered this issue and seem to think that it maybe firmware related. I am going to retrograde the Impulse firmware and test again.

In the meantime I have ordered the Roland A49 controller as I wouldn't mind using this with my laptop and Ipad, so I may end up giving up on the impulse altogether for the Integra and using this instead.

Cheers,

If you're going to the A-49, maybe you should take a look to tha A-500 PRO or even to the A-800 PRO,
As they are dual channel controllers with aftertouch and MIDI merge.

I do have an old PCR-500 and an A-800 PRO myself and they allow me to have 4 simultaneous MIDI channels being driven, and besides they are powerful enough for my Integra.

With them I'm controlling all 16 channels volumes, SN variations, transpose, start/stop drums, ADSR, Resonance & cutoff and portamento on channels being used for lead parts, kbd splits, pitch bend, modulation, etc

Awesome controllers

Hello.
I use the A49 on the I7. I had a quite a few problems, chiefly truncated notes (notes sounding much shorter than intended-almost like a stab) and notes sustaining even on key off. BTW, it happened both on Sonar 7 and Sonar LE that came with I7 (Windows XP).

I have a Emu Midi thingy. So what I did was this.
Switched off the USB MIDI thru in I7.
The connections:
A49 powered by I7.
Midi out from A49 to Emu MIDI In.
Midi Out from Emu to MIDI thru to I7.
The I7 still connected to the laptop.

Now things are better. None of the problems above..fingers crossed.

I read somehwere USB connection for MIDI is not as good as PCI MIDI connections..
cheers!

Hi, Many thanks for your replies to my issue.

I actually know what the problem is but have had to pass to Novation support as I believe it is a firmware issue.

I used Midi-Ox to analyse exactly what the Impulse is sending out to the Integra 7, what I found was very strange!

From midi channels 1 to 8 note on and off's are fine and both stay on the correct midi channel. If I select channel 9 to 16 the note on's are on the correct channels but the note off's get transmitted on channel 8 so the Impulse is incorrectly sending Note off data to the channel 8 from channel 9 upto 16 so no wonder my notes are hanging on the Integra 7 and there is little I can do about it in the Integra or Impulse settings.

Another guy on the forums had this issue and manually updated the firmware, but this has not worked for me.

If Novation are not forthcoming with a solution I will most likely get an A500 or A800 pro.

How do these controllers do with software plugins? I have been spoilt with Automap doing all the hard work for me so would it be a difficult step to move to the Roland/Cakewalk controllers?

Hello everyone I need help
Sorry to break the continuity
I got the Integra 2 days ago
When I try to make it work with Cubase via the Integra 7 Editor, it says "Error Can not receive Midi Messages"
Integra connected to Mac via USB
Midi through ON
Device Id matches on the device and the editor
Drives installed
USB Midi driver Vendor Midi plus Audio
Clock source USB
In and out on the I 7 editor set to Integra 7
WHAT DO I DO ? I HVE BEEN RACKING MY BRAINS OVER THIS
Using M Audio Profire 610 and expect it to work with the integra
Please help!
Thanks in advance

theintegrarocker wrote:

Hello everyone I need help
Sorry to break the continuity
I got the Integra 2 days ago
When I try to make it work with Cubase via the Integra 7 Editor, it says "Error Can not receive Midi Messages"
Integra connected to Mac via USB
Midi through ON
Device Id matches on the device and the editor
Drives installed
USB Midi driver Vendor Midi plus Audio
Clock source USB
In and out on the I 7 editor set to Integra 7
WHAT DO I DO ? I HVE BEEN RACKING MY BRAINS OVER THIS
Using M Audio Profire 610 and expect it to work with the integra
Please help!
Thanks in advance

How did you set the integra in cubase?
Sorry to ask this, but did you check if it appears on the DAW configuration settings as a valid interface?

Hi, Novation have released a firmware update to fix this issue - here is a copy of the email they sent me. Hope this helps anyone else with this issue.

Hi Paul,


We have just released an update for Impulse to address the Note Off issue on
channels 9 - 16. Please follow the Awnserbase article below for the procedure.

http://uk.novationmusic.com/answerbase/what-to-do-if-a-impulse-firmware-update-fails

The Sys-Ex file is included in this email as an attachment.

Please let us know how you get on with this update.

Best Regards,


Ben Ware // Novation Technical Support

http://www.novationmusic.com/answerbase/en/category.php?id=106

Focusrite Audio Engineering Limited
Windsor House, Turnpike Road, High Wycombe HP12 3FX, United Kingdom

I get the very same thing with notes hanging on the Integra using the JP80 as the controller, very annoying!

Guys,
If this is a problem that only affects MIDI channels above 7 on the Integra, wouldn't the easiest work around be to only use the first 7 MIDI channels?
Not ideal I know, but as a short term fix until a proper solution is available it would seem the most painless.
Skinmechanic if you're having the same problem when using the Jupiter 80 as the controller, it would suggest that this is an Integra 7 problem and not a Novation one.
Hope it gets sorted soon, but I'd suggest just using the first 7 channels until it does.

Good luck :)

I think I just figured it out, at least I manage to get rid of the phenomenon on the track I was rendering which showed the stuck note bug as well : it looks like it is related to the mono/poly setting of the voice in correlation with the legato switch setting just below that. Pay attention, there's also such settings per patch, but it seems the part setting, which is supposed to override the patch setting, is messing up with the patch and causes this stuck notes bug. So either this is a bug, or the legato switch somehow has to be used with caution in some situation (for instance I can imagine setting mono with legato can interfere if the patch is set to poly without legato or this kind of mix up, but no time to investigate on this right now, but you can surely see for yourself)

I hope this fixes the problem in all situations. But also otherwise, longer midi chains can have such issues too as the signal deteriorates from midi thru to midi thru, and then the situation is to get a midi patcher or to bare with this.

Just to confirm this happens on Channels 1-3 for me, I don;t tend to use many more than 3 or 4 channels at a time on this due to this (and the fact the editor for MAC is very buggy).

mrgijones1 wrote:

Hi Guys, Hope you can help.

I have my Integra 7 midi in to my Novation Impulse controller's midi out and have created a control template which works fine for the most part. Just basic parameters light cut-off, resonance etc.

The issue I have is notes are hanging or holding and stay sounding until I change the studio set or patch. This seems to happen more on midi channels 7 upto 16. Say I play a string patch, it will hold and continue playing even if I change to another midi channel from the Impulse.

The midi light on the Integra 7 is not constantly flashing whilst this happens so I presume this maybe a setting on the integra itself? Also when the notes hang, if I remove the midi cable they continue to sound which I guess still points to an issue with the Integra?

Any feedback would be most appreciated.

Regards.

Hi mate, it took me a bit of time , if you haven this problem I can tell you how I fix it in logic , so I go In logic control surface setup and I delete all the controllers that are connected there... hope you will fine it useful .. George

I have this same issue. I am using a purchased MIDI file, which DOES have more than 8 MIDI channels--prob about 11. The hanging note is very bothersome in that it even occurs during the playing of the song. And, it continues after I stop the playing. I can usually make it go away if I restart the song just for a second and then hit the stop button again. But, that doesn't help when it it occurring while I am in the song.
I am using Cakewalk by Bandlab. I did read that recommendation, which I'll copy just below, thought I'm not sure from reading this exactly what I would do.
Thanks.
LNovik

I think I just figured it out, at least I manage to get rid of the phenomenon on the track I was rendering which showed the stuck note bug as well : it looks like it is related to the mono/poly setting of the voice in correlation with the legato switch setting just below that. Pay attention, there's also such settings per patch, but it seems the part setting, which is supposed to override the patch setting, is messing up with the patch and causes this stuck notes bug. So either this is a bug, or the legato switch somehow has to be used with caution in some situation (for instance I can imagine setting mono with legato can interfere if the patch is set to poly without legato or this kind of mix up, but no time to investigate on this right now, but you can surely see for yourself)

I hope this fixes the problem in all situations. But also otherwise, longer midi chains can have such issues too as the signal deteriorates from midi thru to midi thru, and then the situation is to get a midi patcher or to bare with this.