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When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

29 Nov 2011, 14:52
mystic. quinnx is pointing out an alternative mental perspective on the mind set off " new equipment, is it the answer, necessary, or even of any benefit " so no, he is not talking about the next roland workstation. but he does raise the valid question does it really matter or not ? to make people think, is always a good thing.

Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

1 Dec 2011, 18:58
kenchan wrote:
roland needs to come up with PHA3 but 1/4 the weight.
i didnt realize this until just recently, but i suppose the keybed used on the RD300NX is a lighter weight version of the ivory hammer action keys on say the FG8... so roland might be able to use that on their future workstation? :)

i guess if the weight of the 88key is 48-50lbs range it's doable for most guys. i can say that carrying around my FG8 is a royal PITA especially in crappy snowy weather.

Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

2 Dec 2011, 09:34
the rd300 certainly doesnt have the feel of the 700 but you are right..not the weight either and for a workstation it should be more than acceptable..

I would also like to see a 76 note weighted option... a tricky decision though as logically that would mean 4 versions of the workstation.. 61 & 76 with synth keys, 76 & 88 with weighted.. but the pricing could be equally graded.. as i never figured why the FG7 was $500 more that the 6

now a thought.. if they put the rd300 action in a 76 keybed and still the ph3 in the 88?.. hmm

kenchan wrote:
kenchan wrote:
roland needs to come up with PHA3 but 1/4 the weight.
i didnt realize this until just recently, but i suppose the keybed used on the RD300NX is a lighter weight version of the ivory hammer action keys on say the FG8... so roland might be able to use that on their future workstation? :)

i guess if the weight of the 88key is 48-50lbs range it's doable for most guys. i can say that carrying around my FG8 is a royal PITA especially in crappy snowy weather.

Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

2 Dec 2011, 14:56
mystic- yah, ive not played the RD300NX yet so dont know how different it is from the PHA2 on my FG8.

hey, i just found out they are now selling the G8 for $3999 due to the exchange rate! lol. back 4 yrs ago i bought mine for $3150 or something. lol

and my VPiano's now going for $6999 when i paid like $5300 or something when it was first released. :p

i should've bought a RD700NX last year cause i couldve bought it for 2200...now everyone's selling it 2600 range and want to get one in the next few days... booo~.

my CP1's price has not changed. still retails around $4600-4999 range.

Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

6 Dec 2011, 14:28
C'mon guys. Roland is still in the business of making keyboards and they still have a thing or two up their sleeve so don't get disheartened just yet. The Jupiter-80 in my opinion was a 76 key hybrid synth experiment gauging how well Roland's next full blown workstation might be received in the marketplace when it comes out at an, as yet, undisclosed point in time. Hopefully be in the not too distant future.

Winter NAMM 12' is probably too early since it would encroach on Jupiter-80 sales. Summer NAMM '12 is not really a keyboard oriented trade show (mostly guitar stuff) - but you never know. Winter NAMM '13 or Musikmesse '13 shortly thereafter could be the ideal opportunity for the unveiling of Roland's highly anticipated new Flagship workstation keyboard. It will no doubt include the usual 61/76/88 key versions with 256 note polyphony and a host of other highly advanced features and technologies you'd expect from Roland's highly regarded sound and design engineers. I would expect it to also have an on-board Sampler, although since Roland now owns Cakewalk they might nix the Sequencer in the hope that more people would purchase Cakewalk Sonar, etc. to use in conjunction with the workstation, since computers are becoming more and more an essential part of music production. Plus it would cut down the cost somewhat most likely also. Sonar is a much more comprehensive sequencer than can be found on your typical on-board keyboard sequencer, needless to say. Time will tell.

I expect Roland's new workstation to also have an SSD storage drive with the ability to stream content off the drive like the Kronos. Since both Yamaha and Korg have expansion capability on their latest workstation keyboards i.e. the Motif XF and Kronos, it is highly likely that Roland will also include expansion capability on their next Flagship workstation as well. It will no doubt also have Roland's new SuperNatural synthesis engines and Behavior Modeling technology plus a comprehensive full-color touchscreen display most likely too. Additionally, it will likely also have a comprehensive array of input/output connections combined with other unique innovations in Roland's arsenal of high-end feature rich technologies, such as V-Link and D-Beam controllers and perhaps nine physical Drawbar sliders to use in conjunction with Organ patches and as a way to control various other features within the Operating System menus on the keyboard, similar to the way the Fantom G can. Prices for each version i.e. 61/76/88 models will likely be quite a bit higher than the Fantom G series was when it hit the market. As an example, the 76 key Jupiter-80 goes for $3,499 so I'd expect the new 76 key flagship workstation to cost around the same or slightly more than a Jupiter-80. 61 key probably around $2,799 - $3,000 and the 88 key probably around the $3,999 - $4,199 range. In the event Roland nixes workstations altogether and indefinitely, there will always be good ole' Yammie and Korg to meet your workstation keyboard needs. But since Roland likely relishes competition (keeping up with the Jones'es) I would expect them to continue producing Flagship workstation keyboards into the foreseeable future as a way of countering Yamaha, Korg and Kurzweil's high-end market share piece of the pie. It would be foolish to lose highly prized market share to the competition and Roland would likely be eating the other companies dust if Roland didn't stay on the cutting edge themselves. Time will tell.

Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

9 Dec 2011, 22:10
Diametro wrote:
if Roland is going to release a workstation version of Jupiter-80 sound engine it's going to have to wait until sales cool ... (Or there's going to be a lot of Jupiter-80 owners bitching about how there's a new, "better" Jupiter available for about the same price ... )

Otherwise, this new workstation is going to have to cost roughly $5,000 since it would need to be positioned above Jupiter-80 if it's going to be adding a bunch of functionality ... and a "real" workstation needs more than four parts so it may require much more DSP ...

Unless of course, the next workstation is a severely cut-down version of Jupiter-80 sound engine ...

Maybe the workstation is dead, though ... How and when Roland responds will do much to answer this question ...

But my guess is we won't be seeing a workstation version for quite some time ... (Something at NAMM 2012 would be a major surprise imo ... )
Roland can always say the Jupiter is a Live performance keyboard and their new workstation would be for
other work and maybe some Live performance. Some people will never buy a workstation with sequencer to add that much more weight. Im sure Roland can have a way out if they do bring out a new workstaion.

Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

9 Dec 2011, 22:14
Diametro wrote:
muziksculp wrote:
imho, ROLAND has their wires crossed !

They are badly in need of introducing a new workstation to compete with the other two major workstations on the market (Motif XF and Kronos), before releasing some fancy, bulky, ugly, expensive, and badly named performance based keyboard synth.

I'm guessing that they are not stupid to ignore the workstation market, but their timing, and marketing strategy is simply bad.

Hoping to see a new ROLAND workstation soon. I have a feeling that the Jupiter 80 will be a big -flop for ROLAND. sooner or later they will stop producing it.
You're wrong ... If Roland is in fact getting a workstation together, I think they're doing it THE RIGHT WAY this time ... Getting it together one piece at a time ... (unlike Fantom-G where they tried too much at once with too little effort ... )

What's the most important part of a workstation? Of course, it's still the sound ... And that's what Roland is doing with Jupiter-80, getting a high-quality sound engine and perfornance UI together in an instrument that gigging musicians might appreciate ... They're the ones with the cash right now, and it makes sense to go after that market ...
Thats right go after the guys that play the instrument to make money and not just play around.

Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

9 Dec 2011, 22:26
If the workstation's are dead, WHY is the Kronos selling so well even with the 76,88 key problems.
I sure do see alot of them and the PA3X is all over the world, you can see that on Youtube.
I don't see that many people giving up on workstations.

Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

9 Dec 2011, 22:37
I would not say they are dead..
they just are not the economic all in one solution of yesterday.

the pc daw and vsts are now that.. and more
however the workstation should now be seen more of a live performer for the live artist and as such needs to provide more towards that purpose.



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Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

9 Dec 2011, 22:40
Love to see the
In addition to the above necessities that define a workstation Roland could do their own legacy synth engines such as Super JX, V-Synth, JD-800, XV-5080, SH-101 ... what a monster machine it would be! Add in a GAIA interface too BTW. ;)

Into a Roland workstation with all the V-Synth GT features and more voicing etc. Would be nice.

Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

10 Dec 2011, 06:02
Well I for one am in need of a new Roland Workstation! My trusty Fantom X7, though awesome, could do with updating. I was about to buy a G7 then it was discontinued, so am holding out for a newbie! I play live in a band (line up- lead, rythm and bass guitar)and My X7 provides all the extra musical backing,drums etc, via midi files augmented by myself, so I for one need a workstation with sequencing capabilities, but also maybe still with the recording expansion option to integrate it into my home studio, and replace my VS-1824. I still love Roland, although i've owned yamaha and Korg products, and don't really want to jump ship to the Kronos unless I really have to! A Jupiter 80/G/X7 Kronos fusion that is studio integratable (is that even a word?!) would be my wishlist keyboard! Come on Roland, do me proud at winter NAMM!

Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

10 Dec 2011, 11:36
Workstations are alive and well, the Kronos Sales show that even with their problems with the keys on
the 76 and 88key versions. I like Rolnad sounds better even on the Jupiter 80 with its layering and articulation effects. Hope Roland will give us a new one to add to their other stuff.
I use all Boss products for my guitar effects and love them GT-10 and RC-50 looper. They do a bang up job.

Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

11 Dec 2011, 02:09
Deckard007 wrote:
A Jupiter 80/G/X7 Kronos fusion that is studio integratable (is that even a word?!) would be my wishlist keyboard!
No, that is not a word. I believe you are looking for integrable.
muziksculp wrote:
When will ROLAND release their next Workstation?
Thursday. I cannot be more specific at this time.

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Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

11 Dec 2011, 06:01
Thursday ?

It's time for a new countdown ;-)
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Re: When will ROLAND release their next Workstation ?

11 Dec 2011, 08:13
It's hard to believe that Roland will release a new workstation at NAMM next year, considering the release of the Jupiter 80. They could built in a sequencer, but they didn't. Now, to release a workstation with the same supernatural engine is very unlikely, because they would have two similar products soundwise, the only difference being the sequencer and maybe the sampler. To build a workstation with the sound generator of the Fantom G is again unlikely, because it would be a step back from the supernatural engine of the previous product and, besides, the Fantom G is already there, with the "classic" sound engine, sequencer and sampler. I also don't see Roland imitating Korg in terms of "Sound Engines", it seems that SuperNatural is the trend.
Anyway, time will solve this out; who knows how unpredictable Roland can be when they really want to :)

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