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1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

29 Aug 2010, 06:40
Me too... I'd love to see modulation of start position. It's such a powerful machine, this is a big and seemingly simple to implement omission. A pity.

And midi-slaved delays that work would be nice.

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

29 Aug 2010, 07:18
daX6fantom, don't forget that the V doesn't just play back samples, it plays their spectral image back via VariPhrase. So maybe modulating a sample start offset is hard technically.

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

29 Aug 2010, 08:33
I'd still think that it would have to be a sequential series of spectra that could be started anywhere. The V-Synth is able to play forward and backward at any speed, and even has step mode which is really just modulating the start offset.

But yeah, I haven't designed a V-Synth, so I won't say any more than it seems like a trivial thing to implement to me.

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

29 Aug 2010, 12:00
+1 for the inclusion of a D-50 (VC-1) as one of the Tones.
+1 for the USB MIDI Synch issues resolved (as far as I know, there are no Synch problems using the MIDI interface...)


Despite that, the V-Synth GT is a Great Board !!
Make Music and be Happy !!
PauloF

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

30 Aug 2010, 03:26
I tried my GT with normal midi, not usb, and the sync problems were still there. Actually "sync problems" is an understatement. Delays are totally unusable using midi sync. It sounds like an old tape player where you're putting your finger on the spindle to slow down the tape about 2-3 times per second. Horrible and totally unusable.

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

30 Aug 2010, 07:33
I remember these MIDI Delay issues being discussed in several other threads, and I got the impression that they were only noticeable under USB...

As I don't have those issues on my XT, I thought (wrongly as I can see), that would be the same with GT... My bad
Make Music and be Happy !!
PauloF

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

15 Sep 2010, 04:22
I think that if the V-Synth GT were to have another upgrade the following would be of interest.
Midi issues fixed (read previous posts)
Inclusion of the D-50 card, if this is possible?
Re-instating the ability for the Vocal Designer to follow microphone input pitch in real time. (ie no more playing the keyboard.)
PC/Mac patch designer software. This actually was/is my most desired option.

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

1 Oct 2010, 09:59
EDIT/NOTE: The following is just based on my personal experiences with my previous GT and the catharsis caused by the experience. The text is 100% speculative in its sections concerning Roland as a company. However, all the facts concerning my use of a V-Synth GT are 100% true. (Just trying to save my ass, that's all. :-D)

Sigh.

Even though this comes a bit late, I'm very relieved to see someone else has had sync problems with their GTs as well. After all, it WASN'T in my head even though that was suspected, too. Not by me, though. ;-)

I think I was back in the day the first one to complain about V-Synth GT's VERY sluggy midi/usb sync. I tried to fight it a short while and even contacted several people involved with the product (at Roland), but to no avail. I was even challenged whether the feature was useful at all - I still don't quite believe the local representant took me for granted. His cure for the disease was to save multiple copies of a patch with different delay/tempo settings. My counter question: "What if I need to change patches or tempo whilst playing?" Answer: "Well, do you have to? Why would you do that?"

Well... that's why it's called "playing live".

That was already back in 2008, I think. I feel very, very disappointed to see the problem still exists, which probably tells more about the priorities of Roland and their development teams. Perhaps my loud assumption about the VsGT's underpowered processor and highschool-coded junior level bugridden OS was true after all (well, at least the bad coding seems to be true). If it was false, they'd already fix it easily, but the root of the problem lies much deeper, I'm afraid. Someone has probably lost his/her face during the product aftermath. I'm afraid that Roland has lost their belief.

I guess their common conclusion right now is "we don't need to do this kind of products". Dear Roland: if you only did it properly and your marketing team knew what to do, they'd sell like hell. The GT was a step into the right direction, but unfortunately the product owner/quality assurance/whatever didn't do his/her best. My opinion, not a fact, mind you. I've got no idea about Roland's hierarchy. I'm just a musician.

I sold my GT a long time ago, after I felt cheated and very disappointed, and stuck with my XT - which worked pretty well, by the way. No sync issues. I also have sold pretty much everything else by Roland, kept only XT, JD-990 and SH-101, I'd say there's two modern day classics and an ancient one. Well, three, since there's a D-50 inside the XT as well.

Back in the days Roland was accused of me-tooing, they'd see some manufacturer producing a nice machine, and they'd go "me too want that". I'm afraid metooing days are back, the only hope being Gaia, but even that is only a smaller scale 3rd generation JP8000. They'd metooed themselves. More bread and butter, easy concept, easy (cheap) to manufacture. But every patch sounds the same - it's not a bad thing, but it emphasizes the fact it's a two or three trick pony, not an endless resource of incredible elements. Subtractive synthesis can go only so far.

The concept of V-Synth is not for the weak. It's been very challenging to both Roland's marketing and the end user. I remember a local music shop dude demonstrating a number of keyboards for a friend of mine and the shop guy passed a GT: "That's too hard to use and it doesn't have a good piano sound anyway". My friend was looking for A SYNTH. Not a bloody workstation. What a clown.

My friend instead bought a second-hand XT later on and is still my friend.

Myself, I've never managed to create such patches with other machines I've created for my XT. The thing is, if you feed it quality stuff, you get a monster out. A nice, well-behaving monster with a lot of character not present in any other synth.

Roland, you hear us?

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

2 Oct 2010, 09:46
Im also dissapointed in Roland. They dont give a ---- about their customers( espiacially the v-synth owners stand in the cold; MidisyncFAILURE, Too many BUGS, ETC ) Im staying away from Roland and their overpriced 'toys' in the future. I luv makin patches on the V-GT tho, (dont get me wrong) but im really pissed@Roland cuz they sell unfinished products and then discontinue them. Profits over quality and happy customers huh?....Fail policy!!

To Roland and their crew: Get of ur lazy asses and start updating the OS!!! (lots of good ideas ive read above. A D-50 would b awesome, but its more important if they would solve some of the bugs and syncissues first)

Greetz

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

5 Oct 2010, 06:51
Sounds like roland is doing what they have always done..

But hey... i got the GT pretty soon after it was release and found so many features missing and bugs that i quickly got rid of it and went back to the XT and it is in my opinion by far the better complement to any setup.
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Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

6 Oct 2010, 18:16
Fully agree with you Quinnx !!!

The XT is a MUST in almost any setup !!
;-)
Make Music and be Happy !!
PauloF

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

7 Oct 2010, 05:01
The GT is more powerfull though ;-)
Too bad its not multitimbral ...

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

7 Oct 2010, 08:10
GT more powerful? Humm... That's depends on how we see it.

GT has AP Synthesis and Vocal Designer accessible at the same time as the all othe tones, and that's about the only advantage...

XT is Multitimbral (16 Parts), it contains a D-50, and can be used (up to the polyphony limitations) as a MIDI Tone generator or even the two TONES of the GT can be perfectly simulated using different parts being controlled by a two midi channel capable external controller.
Make Music and be Happy !!
PauloF

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

12 Oct 2010, 12:47
Paul, actually the GT does pack more power in ways other then mere AP Synthesis and being able to run Vocal Designer at the same time.
1. As of 2.0, some issues were smoothed out in regard to how sound (and screen) reacted when parameters not specifically assigned to control knobs were tweaked while sound was actively playing.

2. Larger sample memory (obviously)

3. Larger amount of Tone Effects available along with a wider amount of modulation assignments that could be assigned to those effects.

4. Increased polyphony.

I can understand why Roland removed the D-50 emulation due to the fact that how much the D-50 really added was questionable. That is to say the general architectures of the D-50 could already be achieved; the two single factors natively missing from the V were emulations of the D's DAC's and exactly matched PCM samples.
I'd venture to say that this is not that big a deal, and that in general, while the preset patches may not be there, a user really did have the capability to make some pretty darn close D-50 emulations.

That all said, I'm not saying "This makes the GT Supreme", but more so that it (and Roland) shouldn't have negatives levied against it that don't really exist.

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