What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 06:14

I was just wondering... What's the previous piece of gear you owned before the Fantom G and if there's any feature you miss from it and would like it to be implemented in a future OS. Even if I selected the FG as a section you are all welcomed guys -) V-Synth GT, XT, I don't know... perhaps Juno G or Stage... It's about your actual piece of gear compared with the previous one. In my case for example, I had an XP-50 -)) And I jumped straight into the Fantom G8. It's like jumping from an airplaine -)) And what I miss most is the keyboard touch, the display (mostly), the realtime controlers, the sampler, effect section, sequencer and arpegiator

) LOL now seriously, I really liked the Time Fit function and I miss it a little. Also it would be nice if we could merge phrases, or extract a certain status (note, C.C., etc). There was also a "Data reduce" function, but I'm not so sure about how was it different from "Data thin". Oh, and the Microscope mode of course, this is a serious issue now with the FG, hope it will be handled ASAP.

Re: What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 07:35

yep, and imagine in the past you could edit multiple tracks at once ... ,

Re: What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 07:46

jabberwocky, if you don't know what to say, please just be silent. Being rude to anyone here is prohibited, and that "anyone" includes Roland engineers.

Re: What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 07:49

G-Man, what "time fit" did is just set the tempo of your song so that it's total length fits into your set limit, this is not hard to do yourself, and when you use samples phrases and loops this may give bad results actually. "Data thin" removed controller messages because the XP's processor might not chew everything you throw at it, but this was never an issue on the Fantoms, especially on the G. Plus, you loose the smoothness of the slider/knob tweaks this way.

BTW, my "Roland way" was like this: XP-80 -> Fantom-S -> JUNO-G -> Fantom-X -> Fantom-G.

Re: What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 08:36

Understood , in the sametime I didn't mention "Roland" engineers.

Then data thin, will take out only the redundant data. I don't see how this will loose teh smoothness of any control messages ?

Re: What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 08:41

jabberwocky, you did mention Roland engineers in particular, maybe you just forgot - this why I thought you don't know what you're writing... Please be polite and that's all I am asking.

Now, with data thin, how can it know if the data is "redundant"? It may delete the excessive control messages that the sound engine would not be able to replicate (i.e. when you do very high-speed tweaks). But what if the sound engine is now responsive enough? Then "data thin" itself is now redundant. Also, back in the days, it was useful since you could reduce the size of your song, as you had a 1.44 MB floppy for storage. Not an issue now, too.

Re: What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 08:54

mm, i thought it was something with bench ... anyhow any subcontracting (even what kind of quality it might resulted in) should be respected.

how can it know when data is redundant , ... okei .... i.e. during recording when you turn your cc knob1 for 0 to 127 and there is no note (incl length) in between , it's ok to remember only position 127. And not all steps in between.

Did you notice how loading of phrases during startup takes boot-time. Any datathin could be appreciated. As for semi live gigs all songs are in same project (need some flexibility to the audience).

Re: What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 09:21

jabberwocky, if you read the XP-50 manual, you will see what data thin does. It doesn't touch notes, only controller messages. And then what it does is remove excessive messages which happen in between your tweaks, as I wrote above, and if you use this function too much, you loose details in your sound changes. This is pretty much useless on modern instruments which handle a big stream of messages with ease.

Re: What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 09:44

I'll agree with Art concerning the Data Thin parameter. I never really used this on my XP50, and even if I had used it, this does nothing to do with the Fantom-G. The only real reason I can find for this parameter to be useful is when you don't have many events to spare. The XP50's sequencer provided only 20,000 events, so you had the option to sacrifice controller smoothness in favor of having more events to work with. With the Fantom-G this is no issue really, because you have nearly a million events to play with. That's why I believe Roland engineers decided not to put this parameter to the Fantom-G's OS.

Re: What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 09:56

Yep, I was referring to the F X manual saying that it will take out redundant data. I had a 'mis'interpretation of redundant but the data time/value parameters explained the behaviour of the data thin.

Re: What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 10:29

Wait a sec, just looked in the Fantom-G manual, and "data thin" is there in the phrase "modify" menu... Which renders our debates useless

Re: What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 10:59

You've gotta love manuals! I certainly find 'Data Thin' handy when I have to edit a phrase containing continuous hold pedal events.

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Re: What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 11:58

my previous main keyboard was the original Fantom so my G8's been great in all aspects.

Re: What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 12:37

My previous/actual keyboards set-up: Korg TR, Virus TI, Roland JP-8000, Yamaha An1x- in that order. I don't know much about Fantom G since I bought it a few days ago, but I'm in the learning process right now and hope that Roland Clan is a good point to start from

Salutare G-Man de la un alt bucurestean!

Re: What happened previously

11 Oct 2009, 14:41

Ohoo... johnesp... sa traiesti! -))