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Recording Vocal w/wo Effects - from ROLAN tech support

Recording Vocal w/wo Effects - from ROLAN tech support

11 Aug 2009, 17:36
Earlier I made a couple of posts about a trouble I had been having concerning recording vocals.

For over a month now I have been trying to figure out how to be able to hear a vocal with effects (reverb, delay etc) but I didn't want the track to be recorded with the effects. I wanted the vocal track to acutally be recorded dry (without effects). This is a very normal way of recording vocals on any multi-track or at any recording studio.

A couple of people responded to the problem - thank you by the way - but either the advice didn't work or I couldn't get it to work. In fact, I couldn't get it to work no matter what I tried.

So - Today I finally broke down and called ROLAND tech support. After 1/2 hour wait on the phone for a tech, who by the way, also thought (at first) "sure, the Fantom G can do this" - they couldn't get it to work either. They wanted me to give them some time so they could hook up their Fantom G and try to get it to work. They were going to call me back - but never did. I waited another 5 hours before I finally called them back and the response was - This can NOT be done with the Fantom G.

So for anyone else trying to figure out how this can be done. ROLAND tech support says it can't. Maybe someone around here knows more than they do, but neither Roland tech's nor myself can figure it out.

I don't know why ROLAND didn't think about this when they designed the Fantom G. This is really dissapointing - and for me, it really cuts down the Fantom G's use-ablility. I still think the Fantom G is the best keyboard available in it's price range, but I also think this problem keeps the FG from being an outstanding keyboard.

Anyway, for anybody else who may be interested, I just thought I'd let them know. Thanks again to everyone who tried to help. I guess I'll just have to live with the problem.

Re: Recording Vocal w/wo Effects - from ROLAN tech support

11 Aug 2009, 18:13
It's a matter of signal chain and would require additional processors + outputs to create a seperate effects loop for monitoring.

If you need effects monitoring for your vocals, my advice would be to A) use an interface that supports direct monitoring + effects or B) use a mixer with proper sends.

While the Fantom is highly capable, it's not an all-in-one studio and really shouldn't be expected to cover absolutely everything. For that, you need this, although I don't think they make them anymore.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFDbNxm8EEY

Re: Recording Vocal w/wo Effects - from ROLAN tech support

11 Aug 2009, 19:00
Well...

Whenever I decide to record with my Fantom G... I route my input monitoring to output B.

Output A and B (both stereo) gets sent into this:

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I record dry, but can add reverb (built into the behringer xenyx 1002 fx) to my monitoring and have two knobs for setting the balance between the mix and the vocals (or bass or guitar, flute, whatever). I also have a knob for overall headphone levels.

The little bastard cost me about 50€ and does the monitoring job well. I also use it now and then for various other small tasks and happily lend it to friends for small house parties etc. There's several brands of these cheap small utility mixers. Go get one.

I have no idea what the SSL desk does in this thread... we are talking about a headphone mix..

Yes, I agree Roland should do something about everything concerning the FX routing, saving of FX/routing presets etc. It's pretty sad as it is now.
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Re: Recording Vocal w/wo Effects - from ROLAN tech support

11 Aug 2009, 19:54
SSL sheds are for righteous garden fun, of course.

The point was, as you have shown, it takes more than one piece of gear to create a functional studio. Certainly there are budgetable shortcuts - in my case I use an interface with reverb for monitoring.

That said, the shed also comes with wine racks, refridgerator, lava lamps...

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