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Missing arpeggio sets after installing 1.3

Missing arpeggio sets after installing 1.3

13 Jul 2009, 11:37
I'm missing the arpeggio sets that are part of FGConnects after installing software update 1.3.
I have tried installing over and over with no change.
What really makes it hard for me to understand is that I can load the 2nd FGConnects from USB and the arpeggio sets are there. The problem is I lose the additional patches i.e. the four piano patches and more.
What I'm seeking is help from members of this forum.
Would someone who has installed version 1.3 please check to see if they have the 10 arpeggio sets and let me know?
Dan...If you are checking the forum I would love for you to respond to this problem.
Thanks!

Re: Missing arpeggio sets after installing 1.3

13 Jul 2009, 11:42
If you load the FG Connects project from USB, you DON'T lose the new pianos. They are in ROM. You can find them in patch numbers 1665~1668.

Which arpeggios do you say that you are missing?
Can you describe what procedure should we follow in order to recreate the problem you're experiencing?

Re: Missing arpeggio sets after installing 1.3

13 Jul 2009, 11:48
I only have one arpeggio set after installing 1.3
What I'm doing is pressing the pad mode key and selecting the arpeggios(key 4). Then going to arpeggio mode it brings up whatever arpeggio sets are available. Before 1.3 I had 10 different arpeggio presets available. After installing 1.3 only one is available this way.
If you would please try this for me and let me know if you have the 10 preset arpeggios from FGConnects I would appreciate it.

Re: Missing arpeggio sets after installing 1.3

13 Jul 2009, 12:19
I haven't noticed that before, but I only see one arpeggio bank when 1.30 is installed. When I select Shift+Arpeggio to enter the settings, the only available arp bank is USER. It writes USER and I can't select it or change it.
There are 128 entries in the user bank,. In the style selection there are 128 preset and 128 user locations.
I don't remember how it was before 1.30, I don't really use the Arpeggiator.

Re: Missing arpeggio sets after installing 1.3

13 Jul 2009, 18:27
Thanks for looking. You have confirmed for me what I'm seeing. After the installation of 1.3 the FGConnects arpeggio presets are not appearing as before the install. I don't know why it was changed as it is not nearly as useful as before. Apparently not many users are using the arpeggios as you are the only one to respond and you indicate that you don't use it.
I do appreciate your doing this.
Thanks!

Re: Missing arpeggio sets after installing 1.3

13 Jul 2009, 20:19
I checked on my Fantom G7 too, but I waited to respond because you specifically asked for cyclops to check it out for you. I didn't notice it being different in OS 1.20 either, just like cyclops. And only one arpeggio set shows up on my G7 with OS 1.30 as well.

The reason not too many people are using the Arpeggiator, in my opinion, is because of its limited functionality and usefulness prior to OS 1.30. Now that we have OS 1.30 I am becoming much more interested in the Arpeggiator, which brings much more functionality and usefulness to that feature with its addition in my opinion. It is a bummer that we lose the additional arpeggio sets that came with the previous FG Connects pack though. Since there would be no way that I know of to add the previous arpeggio sets without losing current internal project material it looks like we will have to wait for an OS 1.31?? update to address that issue, if it actually gets addressed at all. All that we can do is ask Roland to address it and provide the previous arpeggio sets with the next?? update and hope that it gets addressed and they get added. :) Here's to hoping. :)

Re: Missing arpeggio sets after installing 1.3

14 Jul 2009, 12:32
Thanks for replying and confirming what cyclops and I have observed. I not sure why Roland removed these FGConnects arpeggio sets. I was expecting to have all of the FGConnects features with only the fixes or additions that 1.3 brought. I have Twittered Dan to see if he will respond as to why it was removed and whether it can be returned.
I specifically asked cyclops to respond since he appears to be very actively involved and because I was not getting a response until I did ask him.
I did not mean to exclude any responses from anyone else but I was trying to find out how to get a response.
I did a lot of reinstalling and researching to figure out if I was going crazy since I could not find the arpeggio sets that I remembered being there. When I could not find them I decided to load the 2nd FGConnects and that does restore the arpeggio sets but I think it has FGConnects load in two places which is not what I believe is necessary.
I would hope the Art would respond as he has the best contacts with Roland but I don't know how to get his attention.
Sorry for the lengthy response but I do believe that the arpeggio sets are useful and would get more people using the arpeggiator if we can get them back!

Re: Missing arpeggio sets after installing 1.3

14 Jul 2009, 14:26
awurtele: Have you tried getting your Fantom-G to back to version 1.20 and see which patterns are there compared to those of version 1.30?
Maybe the new user bank contains all the previous patterns in a bigger bank. Or maybe it is not so. I don't know, as I've told you before, I'm not much of an arp guy.

Re: Missing arpeggio sets after installing 1.3

14 Jul 2009, 16:26
I have not tried that but I believe that the best current solution is to keep 1.3 but load the FGConnects. prj from USB. Unless I'm mistaken the arpeggio sets will be the same as what we had with 1.2. Apparently Roland decided to not include all of the FGConnects project when updating but didn't mention that they were doing so. That would have at least let us know that it was purposely done and not wonder, as I have, as to was something wrong with my machine or me!
I'm not sure why they would leave off what I believe was a useful addition.
BTW...I would like to ask Art or Dan about this issue but don't know exactly how to do so. Neither one has responded to my messages and I could not determine how to use the forum to get a message to either one. I replied to something you said to ask you a question but I didn't know if that was the only way to reach one of them.
Let me know how if you don't mind.
Thanks!

Re: Missing arpeggio sets after installing 1.3

17 Jul 2009, 13:08


FG Connects is not an OS but a Project. The arp phrases and arp sets where customized in FG Connects specifically for that special project download. The 1.30 OS did not include all the "FG Connects" edited arp phrases and Arpeggio Sets, since the arpeggiator list was re-organized and broaden for purposes of the new Arpeggio Import Function. You can use the Librarian to copy arp phrases and then the arp sets from the previous FG Connects Project over to your project in the 1.30 OS.



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Re: Missing arpeggio sets after installing 1.3

17 Jul 2009, 15:20
Thank you so much for helping me understand what was happening with the arpeggio sets under 1.3. Also knowing that I can use the librarian to make it work under 1.3 the way that I want it to be is very helpful.
We really appreciate your knowledge and helpfulness!
Hope that you are feeling better.
Again, thanks!
P.S. I did understand that the FGConnects was not the OS but the inclusion of arpeggio presets was so helpful that I didn't understand why it was not included when 1.3 included the FGConnects project.

Re: Missing arpeggio sets after installing 1.3

17 Jul 2009, 20:24
According to the 1.30 documentation, the OS includes selected content from the FG Connects project, as well as all new content. It doesn't say nor imply that everything from FG Connects is in 1.30.

Patches, Live Sets, Studio Sets, Rhythm Sets, and other stuff can be copied from one project to another using the librarian software. It's pretty easy to do, and doesn't even require the Fantom to be connected to your computer (unlike with the Fantom-X).

Re: Missing arpeggio sets after installing 1.3

17 Jul 2009, 22:21
I didn't realize until I started looking around as to what parts of the FGConnects project had been left out. I did see the statement about selected content after I noticed the arpeggio sets were missing. I guess that I thought that all of the FGConnects was so useful that they would not have left any out. I'm finding that the arpeggio sets were apparently not missed by many. I have copied the sets over to a new project but find that I the only way that I can keep all of what I want is to just load the FGConnects project that we had before 1.3. which is what I figured out before hearing from any one. It would be nice if I could add it to the internal project but I don't see anyway to do that.
Thanks for the response.

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