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Jordan Rudess and the G at the LTE shows

Jordan Rudess and the G at the LTE shows

24 Jun 2008, 06:18
I was just reading some reviews of the Liquid Tension Experiment reunion shows, and I came across this picture. (Look at the foot pedals)

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This isn't crucial for me - I don't really need more than the 3 pedals at this stage... but I can't help but be curious as to how this is possible, given that we only have 3 pedal inputs, and he seems to have at least 5 visible pedals. Any ideas? (edit: Other pictures show at least 3 more Boss FS-5U switch pedals in use...)

This is the album that picture is from, has many more pics of the G and his setup:
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/metalli55/Liquid%20Tension%20Experiment/

Also, check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFmySp89bQc

Absolutely awe-inspiring speed, especially when you consider the action on the G8's keybed. Wow...

Re: Jordan Rudess and the G at the LTE shows

24 Jun 2008, 06:28
He's only using two pedals. He has 3 sets of them because the keyboard rotates on that stand. Somehow they're merged before being plugged into the keyboard.
Roland Fantom G6 (2), G7, VK-8M
Korg M50, CX3

Re: Jordan Rudess and the G at the LTE shows

24 Jun 2008, 06:36
er, yeah - I'm aware the stand rotates. And he's obviously using more than two pedals, look again...

Seems to me he's using them in sets of 3 - traditionally, his setup is the switch pedal for program up on the left, a sustain in the middle and a switch for a rotary effect on the right.

But he's still technically "Using" them all, even if only 3 at a time - and yes, obviously they are "Merged" somehow. "How?" is my question and the reason for posting this thread.

Re: Jordan Rudess and the G at the LTE shows

24 Jun 2008, 06:52
I actually used a simple double jack adapter on my XP30 to connect a BOSS FS-5U and a simple switch pedal i have and it worked perfect at home, when i set up everything on a concert to have another footswitch to change sounds when i was playing on the AX1 it didnt work anymore... I never tried it again but it has no reason not to work for simple pedals like those, they are on/of switches wich are either "normally open" or "normally closed" and change that state when you press them, if you are using two equal pedals just use the double adapter but remeber they will do exactly the same thing so you can't assign diferent things between them. Image

For expression pedals i don't know how it would behave but i don't think it would work so well, at most you would have to have the pedal not used turned all the way down for the other to work ok but i dont advise it...
A much better implementation is made on Kurzweil: 4 Input pedals plus 2 expression pedals for a total of 6 inputs :)


And Jordan is a GOD!

Re: Jordan Rudess and the G at the LTE shows

24 Jun 2008, 07:00
I am not into Rudess at all, he's a virtuoso allright. But for me he is an overplayer. Jordan 'Uzi' Rudess indeed.

Re: Jordan Rudess and the G at the LTE shows

24 Jun 2008, 07:19
> er, yeah - I'm aware the stand rotates. And he's obviously using more than two pedals, look again...

Yes, there appear to be 3 pedals and the G has 3 jacks. Voila. How they're being merged remains a mystery. :)
Roland Fantom G6 (2), G7, VK-8M
Korg M50, CX3

Re: Jordan Rudess and the G at the LTE shows

24 Jun 2008, 17:00
Thanks Mindkeys! I had no idea it would be so simple. I've seen 2>1 jacks before - makes sense I guess, still I wonder how it was done 3>1?

Re: Jordan Rudess and the G at the LTE shows

25 Jun 2008, 06:12
In the exact same manner Garret, you can have as many footswitches as you like this way... If he really uses 3 pedals on the same input they must have made the connectors themselves, just buy 1 male and 3 female 6,35 Jack's and connect the 3 females to the male with a bit of cable and voilá, either you have 3 inputs for pedals or 3 babys will be born 9 months from there if you didn't quite understand the whole male/female thing.... :D

Re: Jordan Rudess and the G at the LTE shows

25 Jun 2008, 07:23
What MINDkeys says. This works if the pedals are of the 'normally open' type, meaning that an electrical connection is made between the two connections of the connector when you press the pedal. Roland pedals work like that. With these pedals you can connect any number of pedals together this way and pressing any one of them will 'trigger' the sustain.

Some manufacturers make 'normally closed' pedals (the Fantom can be used with these as well if you change the 'polarity' of the pedal setting in the System menu). With such pedals you would have to connect the wires in series instead of parallel.

There are some pedals that allow you to change the behavior of the pedal itself using a switch on the bottom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXz0UkVBZPQ
TOYZ in 60 seconds (short live video of my progrock band on YouTube)

Re: Jordan Rudess and the G at the LTE shows

25 Jun 2008, 08:55
You're totally right Arjan, didn't remember about that.

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