in a nutshell...

oh and thanks for your help

You can use the "tone copy" function when in PATCH EDIT mode. It should be on the F keys below the display, either directly or when you hold down the SHIFT button.

Also, if you'd like to learn how to make your very own patches, please have a look at this book:
http://www.sinevibes.com/publications/fantom-tb/

The tweak book is the shiznit. REad it, breath it, live it.


If you can't figure it out, comeback, ask specific questions.

My specific question, is why would you want to make a patch from scratch??

Other than educational purposes, the Fantom has plenty of patches to get you started, and get you where you really want to be, much faster.

Find the preset that's closest to what you want, and tweak.

I a certain sense something like "a patch from scratch" doesn't even exist on the Fantom or Juno G. The most fundamental thing you will get on this kind of machine is a sampled waveform: a sound already existing in natural, electric or amplified instruments or synths.

This is not comparable in depth with building sounds on classical analog synths from three or four elementary waves, or FM synthesis. But it still is rewarding if you use the Tweak Book for getting a deeper understanding of the sound shaping possibilities. The Tweak Book, as thunderkyss told you, is not just meant for reading, but for learning by doing, and for using the examples as staring point for your own fun...

So you will always have a starting point which is already defined to a high degree, and then use filters/envelopes/lfos/effects etc. to form that quite defined sound. Just use a patch, silence all wavesforms expect one, switch off effects, and then
a) dial in other waveforms to get a sound overview
b) if you found sometheing interesting, shape it with the tools on board.

No big deal... You just have to *do* it to get an impression: then you'll stumble over *concrete* questions and find *concrete* answers - one by one.

Fantom X Tutorials and FAQs are also helpful for understanding the principal sound architecture of the Juno G.

As far as I am concerned it's simple. Yes you will need the manual for reference, because the Juno has very intricate and rather impressive architecture for the price you pay.

1. Choose patch mode.

2. Select an existing Patch or Rhythm Set. Doesn't matter which Patch/Rhythm set as this only to set which category you will make.

3. Press under the writing EDIT on the panel press the Patch button. The graphic editor will appear on the display.

4. Hold shift and press Button 6 [brass] which is the initialize button. Press Button 7 [vocal/pad] to execute.

You now have a blank patch.

5. Press Button 7 [vocal/pad] (this time without holding the shift key.)

6 Press button 2 [kdb/org] a menu will pop up. Use the arrow up key to choose 7 on the lit which is Wave Parameter. Press Enter.

You should now see a screen which has INT INT INT INT high lighted near the top; these are the bank from which you choose your 4 waveforms. (This is where the manual starts to come in handy.)

7. Press the down arrow key to select the Wave NO. L (mono) section. Scroll thru the numbers to choose the wave forms. Names of waveforms are shown in top left corner of display.

*Pressing TONE SW/SEL will allow you to select which of the 4 waveforms make sound [button 1-4] and which are editable [button 5-8.

That's it, you’re done, your own patch. You will need to read the manual pages on Creating a Patch for detailed info on the 22 menu options Pages 36 thru 48 cover it.

With a Rhythm set each key/note has its on parameters. So you need to press the note on the keyboard make the changes then press the next note to and make the changes and so on. There is a tone copy which is handy because it allows you to copy from one note to the next then you just change the waveform on the new note.

Remember to write the patch. And don't change the patch during editing or you will lose all the work you have just done.

You don't need to read the entire manual, just have it handy for reference during fine tuning.

Have FUN!

i have been using the juno-g editor to make patches lately

while it is not the most user-friendly tool (what with 1000+ item pull-down menus), it is probably as close as you'll get to making a patch from scratch. you can pick a waveform for each of the 4 tones, add effects, and so on. the waveforms can be internal or you can bring your own or samples