Tempo Change

You can use the Micro Edit in the sequencer to insert tempo changes.

You must select the Tempo track first, using TRK/Ch SELECT. Dial it round to Tempo, then hit CREATE and you can create a tempo change event, and then cursor over to the tempo column and dial in your tempo

Thanks Lawrence. That works in the sequencer, but not in a pattern. There are no Tempo/Beat Selections in pattern mode.
I'm going through the manual again to see what I can do !!

I guess they think tempo is only relative to a SONG, not a pattern within it.

If you insert the patterns in a song/sequence, then of course you can alter the tempo track alongside the patterns.

The only place I could see this wouldn't work is in RPS mode if you assign a pattern to a pad. (which I am assuming you are doing with your reference to live mode)

Yep

I'll figure something out... I have to

Thanks again Lawrence.

Hey Bodyprint,

I noticed that when I switch to the next performances when the a rythm is playing, it continues playing and it switches to the rythm and tempo of the next performance. So if you can make your thing work with rythms, I would suggest as a workaround that you copy the same performance twice in 2 positions next to one another, that you assign different tempos to them and that you switch peformance while playing. I am not sure what that would do to sustained notes though...

Can't you just do like the guys are doing on the fade out endings and record the tempo change on one channel and record that event to all channels then save it?

pianodick

Regarding copying the tempo change to all channels:

I am pretty sure that the Tempo / Time Signature is global to all of the channels, so you can't really apply / copy it because it already applies to every channel.

Not a bad idea though.

AV8R

the point is, from bodyprint's POV is that you cant have a tempo change stored in an individual pattern. Only in the main tempo track

Another suggestion:

Sounds like BODYPRINT wants to be able to apply tempo changes dynamically during a performance using a pattern(s) triggered by the pad in RPS mode. What if you turn the patterns into samples?

1. Record/program your pattern.
2. Set the tempo to 133 and sample the pattern playing.
3. Set the tempo to 111 and sample again.
4. Insert your pattern into a song and create your gradual tempo changes using the tempo track.
5. Sample the pattern with the gradual tempo change from 111 to 133.
6. Assign the 3 samples (111 bpm, 111>>133, and 133 bpm) to adjacent pads.
7. During performance, trigger your samples using the pads:
-- a. 133 bpm sample (4 bars)
-- b. 111 bpm sample (3 bars)
-- c. 111>>133 sample (1 bar)
-- d. 133 bpm sample (4 bars)

Since the FS has 16 pads, you could use this technique 5 times and have one pad left over. Just a thought.

-Joe

Thanks everybody for all your suggestions.
I'll go over them in more detail when I am more sober

Has anybody else noticed that the tempo tends to wander when you are not playing a song. I have used RPS extencively and the only way I can keep the tempo exact is to play a blank looped song sequence...

Anyway..what I was thinking of doing was making 2 exact copies of the song. Almost along the path K60 was thinking.

Sequence will go like this...

1. Select song No.1 in Quick Play with tempo set at 111.
2. Play the looped blank song to keep tempo steady
3. Keep playing my RPS patterns and do my gradual increase in tempo up to 133 manually.
4. Just before it's time to change back, press Stop so I can change Quick Play songs.
5. Change to song No. 2 with tempo set back at 111 for instant tempo change. As long as both songs use the same performance settings, there shouldn't be any gaps in the music.
6. Press play again to keep tempo locked

But if I use K60's suggestion, I wont have to stop the song first. I'll switch performances instead of songs !! Hmm, you have all given me heaps to think of.
Thanks again, much appreciated. I'll keep you posted as to what I found works best.

www.bodyprint.net

In my RPS tutorial I point out that you HAVE to play a song in order to have the patterns start correctly on the beat.

If there is no song playing, then the patterns start immediately you hit the pad, which might be right on the beat, but is likely to be a few tics out.

Whereas, if you have a song playing you can choose to synch the pattern to the beat or the start of the next measure.

It may be this that is giving you the impression the tempo is drifting.

I am not syncing my RPS patterns to the song beats because alot of my RPS changes occur on 1/4 beats, but when they are synced they only start on the whole beat.... I just realised I can change my song time signature to 1/4 or 1/1 can't I? !!! Then my RPS's will start every quarter if I want...I think...correct me if I am wrong there !!

But if I set the tempo with no song playing, even if it is a blank looped song, the samples don't quite line up. As soon as I press play I can hear the tempo change, and the samples mysteriously match the beats !!!

You havn't noticed this on your machine?

www.bodyprint.net

is that because of wave tempo synch?

no, even in my sequenced patterns.

Say I play a RPS of a drum beat pattern, as soon as I hit play to start the looped blank song, the tempo will change, usually slows down.

When I stop the song again, the tempo of the playing RPS will start to wander again. You can hear it !!